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nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:27:52 PM ---Thanks! That's what I'm thinking too, that I've got time to just tinker for now until I settle into something. This happens to me almost every time I finish a story. Last year I lucked out because I ended up working on Heroic Measures and Bethlehem simultaneously, so when I finished one, it was easy to go right back to the other. That may be what happens with My Brother's Keeper and Fallen Angel until I figure out which one I'm ready to commit to.
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That would be exciting if the same thing happened. How nice would that be if when you were in tinkering mode, both stories just kind of hit a stride, but one was slightly more than the other! And two years in a row too.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:27:52 PM ---I think it's okay to have a "when the mood strikes" story too, especially if you make that clear from the beginning.
As for AO3, you should try including some kinky tags in PNecklace. If you sort the BSB stories in order of hits, that's what gets the clicks over there. LOL
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Might be the way to round out that whole universe. Who knows!
Haha, it's not that kinky. Except for that little subplot I mentioned way back when and that seems like it's not the kinky subplots they seem to be into. If anything, it's more demons physically eating each others' body parts, but not in a sexual way. Although, I did write a part where I deliberately selected words that could be taken in a food context and a sexual context at the same time. As I intended, it upped the creep factor of the whole thing! ;D
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:27:52 PM ---I agree with what you said about having two choices. I've found that the stories that scare or intimidate me usually turn out the best once I work through that fear.
A question for everyone: What story or chapter were you most nervous about posting?
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I agree. There's a reason things scare us in writing and it's usually that we've hit a place where we can grow if we rise to the challenge.
Oh man! So many!
Let's see... I guess I was pretty nervous about Beta Sigma Beta when I first started writing it because it was the first solo story I'd written since PBox and it was outside of part of my niche market on the BSB fanfic world. At that time, I think people that really read my stuff knew me for PBox and Gobosei more than any of my failed other ideas. The other reason was that when I started posting it, I knew that I was planning on flipping back and forth between real time and AU time, but no one reading knew for the first three chapters. So I did worry that people would get to chapter four and stop reading it when I was like "Surprise, this is also partially an AU!" Also Nick was kind of an opinionated dick in that story, haha.
Chapters-wise... Two come to mind right away.
One was PBox ch. 25 "Deep Scars" where I revealed that part of Renee's anger at Minako stemmed from what Renee assumed was implied rape. Which yikes! It was never actual rape, it was all manipulation by Justin... But when I was editing it, I went "Oh geez, this does not sit well in 2020..." So I added a tiny bit that made it seem clearer that it didn't happen. But even back then, I was like "Do I add a trigger warning? Will people hate this?" Anyway... PBox is pretty dark on many occasions... I still worry that it was too much for an already dark story, but as with many other things about it... While I edited and improved, I didn't remove anything that was relevant to the plot or character motivations; only a few filler things where I thought "Oh man, this sounds so stupid... Exactly what an aging teeny would think the fluffiest of romances should touch on so briefly in the most irrelevant moments." Like even Ch. 10 "Heart of Warmth," which got a major rehaul, still has the exact same plot as it did before (Nick apologizes to Minako and says he didn't understand her feelings); it's just better conveyed.
The other was PBox ch. 46 "Chaos" ("God of Chaos" at the time) which featured graphic heart eating (and also I killed off AJ...) I thought, is this heart eating too gross? Like I know I said graphic violence, but... And also AJ died! And I knew if people did not like AJ dying... Well they weren't going to like what I had planned for ch. 47 "Sorry" or ch. 48 "Denouement" either! However, after writing that chapter, I had my six month writer's block, so I guess I never found out one way or another if people hated the Boys dying. None of those chapters ever got reviews on them and no one's ever told me they were mad, so I assumed everyone stopped reading because they were mad or forgot about the story when it went unfinished for so long.
And then of course ch. 47 and ch. 48 again for the whole Boys dying thing... But again. No one ever told me one way or the other. :shrug:
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: FrickingKaos on February 06, 2021, 09:39:13 PM ---I laughed really hard at this and I almost felt bad bahahaha
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No spoilers! I like to read my BSB stories when I want to sleep, but can't sleep yet. I'm a few hours away!
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 10:04:20 PM ---I am a monster; I'll proudly admit it. Tracy knows this about me LOL.
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I wrote a whole story about cute demons and then I wrote half of a second one (so far). Clearly I love monsters. But as long as you know, then I will stop trying to make it seem nice. ;)
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 10:06:18 PM ---Haha, it's not that kinky. Except for that little subplot I mentioned way back when and that seems like it's not the kinky subplots they seem to be into. If anything, it's more demons physically eating each others' body parts, but not in a sexual way. Although, I did write a part where I deliberately selected words that could be taken in a food context and a sexual context at the same time. As I intended, it upped the creep factor of the whole thing! ;D
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LOL I know you don't write that kind of kink. I'm just saying if you add tags like "Cousin Incest," "Anal Fingering," and "Cock Slapping," whether the story actually includes that stuff or not, people will apparently click on it. Check out the tags on this one, the most clicked on BSB story on AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/21715126/chapters/51797743 ???
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 10:06:18 PM ---Let's see... I guess I was pretty nervous about Beta Sigma Beta when I first started writing it because it was the first solo story I'd written since PBox and it was outside of part of my niche market on the BSB fanfic world. At that time, I think people that really read my stuff knew me for PBox and Gobosei more than any of my failed other ideas. The other reason was that when I started posting it, I knew that I was planning on flipping back and forth between real time and AU time, but no one reading knew for the first three chapters. So I did worry that people would get to chapter four and stop reading it when I was like "Surprise, this is also partially an AU!" Also Nick was kind of an opinionated dick in that story, haha.
Chapters-wise... Two come to mind right away.
One was PBox ch. 25 "Deep Scars" where I revealed that part of Renee's anger at Minako stemmed from what Renee assumed was implied rape. Which yikes! It was never actual rape, it was all manipulation by Justin... But when I was editing it, I went "Oh geez, this does not sit well in 2020..." So I added a tiny bit that made it seem clearer that it didn't happen. But even back then, I was like "Do I add a trigger warning? Will people hate this?" Anyway... PBox is pretty dark on many occasions... I still worry that it was too much for an already dark story, but as with many other things about it... While I edited and improved, I didn't remove anything that was relevant to the plot or character motivations; only a few filler things where I thought "Oh man, this sounds so stupid... Exactly what an aging teeny would think the fluffiest of romances should touch on so briefly in the most irrelevant moments." Like even Ch. 10 "Heart of Warmth," which got a major rehaul, still has the exact same plot as it did before (Nick apologizes to Minako and says he didn't understand her feelings); it's just better conveyed.
The other was PBox ch. 46 "Chaos" ("God of Chaos" at the time) which featured graphic heart eating (and also I killed off AJ...) I thought, is this heart eating too gross? Like I know I said graphic violence, but... And also AJ died! And I knew if people did not like AJ dying... Well they weren't going to like what I had planned for ch. 47 "Sorry" or ch. 48 "Denouement" either! However, after writing that chapter, I had my six month writer's block, so I guess I never found out one way or another if people hated the Boys dying. None of those chapters ever got reviews on them and no one's ever told me they were mad, so I assumed everyone stopped reading because they were mad or forgot about the story when it went unfinished for so long.
And then of course ch. 47 and ch. 48 again for the whole Boys dying thing... But again. No one ever told me one way or the other. :shrug:
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I think that's a good way to lure people who may not love AU into reading an AU. Start with canon BSB and then switch to AU after you've sucked them in LOL. I love genre-bending twists.
The dark stuff is always what makes me nervous to post too, but I've discovered that most fanfic readers, at least the ones I talk to, like dark stuff. I'm sure there's still the light, fluffy romance lovers, but I don't think they read our stuff LOL. Graphic heart-eating and death for the win!
It is disappointing when you post something you're expecting a reaction for and get no reviews. Hence why you should try the kinky tags, hehe. Just kidding... or am I?
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:59:58 PM ---I like middles. The middle is the meat of the story, where most of the drama happens.
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You know, I hated on middles when I wrote the questions, but I really don't hate middles at all; they might actually be my favorite. They're just hard to come up with "relevant to everyone" questions for.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:59:58 PM ---LOL It would be like every Babysitter's Club book, where Chapter 2 was always the back story about how the BSC was formed and a description of each member.
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Ann M. Martin, I loved you... but I always skimmed that chapter for that reason. I had the entire series as a child, then donated most of it to a book drive my middle school did because I wanted other kids to enjoy the BSC like I had. I kept two books she signed when I met her, so... hopefully they had the money to buy those two books, sorry!
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:59:58 PM ---I'm definitely more plot-driven. When I plan a story, I tend to think in terms of the plot first and then cast my characters based on which boy(s) will work best for that idea. Sometimes I'll start with certain characters in mind and craft a plot around them, but that is not my norm. Character development typically comes as a result of the events in my stories.
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I think we've discussed this before, since I'm the opposite. I will always lean in favor of characters over plot, but I don't know that I ever start by thinking something like "I want to write a story about Howie. Now... what does Howie do?" It's more, here's an idea with a place to start and a possible ending. What they do in the middle... That's on them!
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:59:58 PM ---You mean once I've reached the beginning of the ending? (LOL) I don't set writing goals for myself; I just write when I feel like it. But being so close to the end usually gives me a burst of inspiration, so I tend to write more often. Toward the end of A Heart That Isn't Mine, I was writing before and after school just about every day because I was so into it. That's also why I usually need a break from writing after I finish a story like that so I can clean my house, catch up on my TV shows, and all the other things I neglected while I was in my fanfic bubble LOL.
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Yes, the beginning of the ending! What a weird phrase. I'm still amazed that you wrote that both before school and after school. It's impressive. And I feel you on the break. That was kind of me this week. Also since the first week is kind of busy with one of my volunteer positions anyway.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 09:59:58 PM ---I would not be opposed to a sequel if it made sense, but I try to avoid them just because I haven't had the best luck with finishing them. BMS is the last novel-length sequel I wrote, and thankfully that one was a success, but I held on to that one for a long time before I started posting it on my site because I wasn't sure I would be able to finish it and didn't want it to ruin Broken. I don't think I've had any fanfic novel ideas since that have demanded a sequel. I've written a couple of one-shot companions to previously-finished novels, but I don't consider those true sequels as much as, well, companions. One was just for an April Fools joke anyway.
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I didn't know that! How long did you hold on to BMS after you finished Broken? Were you still posting Broken when you started writing BMS or was it already complete?
I think a one-shot companion is different, because it doesn't necessarily have to take place at the end of the story. It could just be a fun middle thing you wanted to write, but never did. Those ones just happened to take place after the main plot.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 10:08:20 PM ---No spoilers! I like to read my BSB stories when I want to sleep, but can't sleep yet. I'm a few hours away!
I wrote a whole story about cute demons and then I wrote half of a second one (so far). Clearly I love monsters. But as long as you know, then I will stop trying to make it seem nice. ;)
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I love monsters too, so I took it as a compliment!
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