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RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 11:27:28 PM ---I was glad you had some Brian&Howie (That's how you designate the platonic version in other fandoms, but not sure if we've picked up on it as much over here in BSB; I don't read other fandoms' fanfic, but I've seen it.) in Bethlehem. I think they get overlooked because whatever special bond they may have, they don't show us. Maybe they just tolerate each other in the collective? That would be so sad... :( I think Nick is good common denominator when we're not sure on their personal specifics.
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I actually just learned that last year when I started tagging relationships on AO3 and looked up the difference between / and &. I had never seen that distinction used in our fandom before either. I should probably start using it here instead of saying "but not in a slashy way" LOL. I never felt the need to differentiate until I actually wrote a slash, but now you never know.
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 11:27:28 PM ---I've said before that I'm a questioner more than an outliner, so "Why was there a box?" became closely tied to the question "Why do the demons want the box?" And they had their collective reasoning, but PBox et al. spans the big question of "what defines us/me/you?" for all of the characters. I think this is vague enough without being a spoiler... Character motivations is really where I start since they're driving the plot along. After all, Nick has changed endings on me twice so far based on what he ends up doing, so I've just given up on planning too much without his input. I may as well say it. Y'all heard it here first: PNecklace does have a defined end that will close this arc. The whole story does as well, but it's not in PNecklace. Sometimes I hate Nick and his epic story so much (and this is why I've been calling it "PBox et al." when I speak of them collectively).
So our buddy Nick started from "I want the box because it's obvious the thing I don't have is sealed in it: my memories." (And he was kind of right, but not exactly.) And the story happened and his motivation became: "I do not want the box, because I don't actually care about whether or not I have my old memories. I actually want to keep my 'family of choice' and our memories that I've gotten from all of this. But they want the box, so I guess box?" And now we're on to PNecklace where he's like "Well, I guess I need my memories after all to help solve this next problem... So, yay? But I can't let them define me, I still want my 'family of choice' and our memories instead." And where he ends up at the end... Well... You'll see. ;) It's all fun. He's very busy trucking the plot along with his plucky gumption.
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Kudos to you for figuring all that out from an image in a dream! It's cool when something like that can spark an entire epic series.
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 11:27:28 PM ---Wow, a whole year! I'm not surprised because I know you had other things going on at the time, but it felt like they were a lot closer together and I don't know why I'm thinking that. Were you posting other things during that time or just BMS on the Yahoo Group? Did you change anything based on comments from your early readers or did it all mostly stay the same?
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I really wasn't posting much else at the time besides hosted story updates. I looked back at my site updates from 2004, and after Broken, it was just the odd chapter of Not Another Teenybopper Fanfic or Code Blue here and there. I'm surprised I held out so long too; that took willpower I didn't realize I had back then LOL. I don't remember changing anything before officially posting it on my site. Really it was posted there the whole time; I just only gave the link to the Yahoo Group and didn't post it on my story page, so only people who had it could find it.
I also didn't post either Broken or BMS on AC until 2006, so if you read them here and not on my site, that would be why they seemed closer together.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 06, 2021, 11:41:22 PM ---I'm not big on spoilers either, but when speaking on PBox I also figure there's gotta be a time limit for considering something a spoiler. Like the Vader is Luke's father thing or Snape kills Dumbledore... Everyone knows those by know or consciously decided they didn't want to consume the media so... I'd never tag a story with spoilers (that fine line between "Death" and "Major Character Death"), but I feel like talking about them 10 years later is an eh for me. Now call me a monster if you vehemently disagree!
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I agree. There's a difference between talking about them here and tagging spoilers on AO3, where there's a different audience of readers. There's some crossover between AC and AO3, sure, but there are also people there who have probably never read or posted anything here and haven't seen you talk about PBox or me talk about Broken, etc. So what's considered common knowledge here isn't there. If I were to post Broken there, I wouldn't tag it with cancer and amputation because I wouldn't want to spoil that for anyone who was reading it for the first time... even though I know some people would see those tags and click on it just for those elements, as would I. I just think the payoff is better if you actually get to that point in the story and find out for yourself.
I wish I could remember the moment I found out Vader was Luke's father, but I was so young the first time I saw those movies, I don't. I do, however, remember my first time reading about Snape killing Dumbledore and the shock that accompanied that.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 11:51:19 PM ---I actually just learned that last year when I started tagging relationships on AO3 and looked up the difference between / and &. I had never seen that distinction used in our fandom before either. I should probably start using it here instead of saying "but not in a slashy way" LOL. I never felt the need to differentiate until I actually wrote a slash, but now you never know.
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I prefer "but not in a slashy way," but it's a lot to put on a tag page, haha. That's fair, back in your "I will never write a slash" days, of course it was platonic. But you're right, now you just never know.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 11:51:19 PM ---Kudos to you for figuring all that out from an image in a dream! It's cool when something like that can spark an entire epic series.
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I was clearly meant to be an epic tale and not "Nick's face is burned in your brain, you will constantly think of Nick as your brain processes the day." It's fine, haha. I've enjoyed writing it, though I have moments where I wish someone else was writing it and I could enjoy it as a reader since nothing in it surprises me. And thanks! It has been an undertaking, but I think it's all been worthwhile even though it took many years. I just hope I can keep all the PNecklace steam going for the next one and just chunk them both out fairly quickly. I'm excited to keep sharing fun little things along the way, like: even the titles of the stories are based on Nick's journey; it's all very neat. ;D
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 06, 2021, 11:51:19 PM ---I really wasn't posting much else at the time besides hosted story updates. I looked back at my site updates from 2004, and after Broken, it was just the odd chapter of Not Another Teenybopper Fanfic or Code Blue here and there. I'm surprised I held out so long too; that took willpower I didn't realize I had back then LOL. I don't remember changing anything before officially posting it on my site. Really it was posted there the whole time; I just only gave the link to the Yahoo Group and didn't post it on my story page, so only people who had it could find it.
I also didn't post either Broken or BMS on AC until 2006, so if you read them here and not on my site, that would be why they seemed closer together.
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You always had the power inside you! Did you release it chapter-by-chapter when you did make it public on your site or was it whatever what up at the time already?
Ah, yes, that makes more sense.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 07, 2021, 12:06:48 AM ---I've enjoyed writing it, though I have moments where I wish someone else was writing it and I could enjoy it as a reader since nothing in it surprises me.
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I have definitely felt that way too. Does everyone feel that way about their stories? I mean, obviously, we write what we like... and hopefully we like what we write. I have written stories that I know I probably wouldn't click on if someone else had written them, but most of them are right up my alley as a reader.
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 07, 2021, 12:06:48 AM ---Did you release it chapter-by-chapter when you did make it public on your site or was it whatever what up at the time already?
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It was whatever was already up. I just added the link that already existed to my story page and announced it. So anyone who wasn't already reading it on the Yahoo Group had like 50 chapters to catch up on. But that turned out to be only a quarter of the whole story LOL.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 07, 2021, 12:03:54 AM ---I agree. There's a difference between talking about them here and tagging spoilers on AO3, where there's a different audience of readers. There's some crossover between AC and AO3, sure, but there are also people there who have probably never read or posted anything here and haven't seen you talk about PBox or me talk about Broken, etc. So what's considered common knowledge here isn't there. If I were to post Broken there, I wouldn't tag it with cancer and amputation because I wouldn't want to spoil that for anyone who was reading it for the first time... even though I know some people would see those tags and click on it just for those elements, as would I. I just think the payoff is better if you actually get to that point in the story and find out for yourself.
I wish I could remember the moment I found out Vader was Luke's father, but I was so young the first time I saw those movies, I don't. I do, however, remember my first time reading about Snape killing Dumbledore and the shock that accompanied that.
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That's exactly what I figure too. Obviously we're all much more vague if we're talking about any of our current stories (or in my case in particular, things from old stories that would have major implications on a current story). You absolutely can't tag it with either of those things! It ruins the live reaction if you know about them going in. I think there's a huge difference between a warning/tag like "violence" or "sexual content" in any degree from there to graphic and a tag for anything that's a plot element (even when it's available as a warning tag). I don't even know that I would tag Broken as "Medical Drama" if that was an option... It's just too specific and not at all implied. "Heroic Measures"? Sure, go nuts. ER makes it implied.
For Harry Potter: so nuanced, but so shocking. I can't remember the Vader reveal either. I honestly feel like my father told me to "pay attention" right before it, so... I probably wasn't as surprised as I should have been.
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