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nicksgal:
I was going to put this in the nostalgia thread, but couldn't find it (I'm guessing you hid it somewhere, Mare.). Anyway, I stumbled on that old thread where Tanja joined the board and was asking for help with her pilfered HSM story and noticed that none of us said "Busted" after she got called out, and I think we missed a perfect opportunity there. Anyway, back to writing discussions!
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: FrickingKaos on February 09, 2021, 11:46:47 PM ---I have to agree on POA I love the back story with the marauders and all that. Azkaban is my favorite Harry Potter book, along with Goblet aof Fire, despite the movies kinda ruining both of those.
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Seems like people either love or hate the Azkaban movie. I love it; I think it has great atmosphere/cinematography. I absolutely hate the ending shot, and I think the Marauders climax is rushed, but otherwise I think it's one of the better movies. Goblet of Fire feels rushed, but that book is just so long, it was impossible to pack it all in to under 2.5 hours and make it satisfying. My favorite of the movies is DH Part 2, followed by Half-Blood Prince and Azkaban.
--- Quote from: mare on February 10, 2021, 05:44:49 PM ---Do you guys define a series just more than one story/book? I usually don’t really consider anything a series unless there are at least three books/stories.
I think when a book ends up being incredibly popular, there’s always a push to get the author to write either a sequel or a prequel. I’m sure when the money is dangling in front of them it’s hard to say no. I know I succumbed to pressure to write the sequels to Mizpah because of all the positive feedback I was getting and the demands for more. I wish I didn’t do it. I didn’t even get paid for it!
I’m also curious when it comes to movie adaptions. If some of these authors give creative rights to people when they see dollar signs only to have the screen writer massacre their book by changing really important plot points etc... cough...my sister’s keeper...cough .
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3+ makes it feel more like a series, but I guess I consider anything with multiple books to be a series. Is there a better word for a book and its sequel?
I'm sure money is a big factor in authors' decisions to write more books in a series, just like with movie sequels. As far as movie adaptations, I think I would demand creative control if someone wanted to buy the rights to my book. I would want to be one of the producers and have a say in the script.
Interestingly, though, there are some authors who are okay with huge changes between their book and the movie - in fact, some authors even instigate those changes themselves. I love both the book and movie version of "The Ruins" by Scott Smith - I just reread it last summer, actually, and learned that the author also wrote the screenplay for the movie, which has a ton of changes from the book. The basic plot is the same, but the ending is different, and he switched up what happened to the characters, so the same events happen but to different people. It's horror, so I guess he wanted to keep people who had read the book first guessing when they watched the movie, and vice versa. "The Walking Dead" is the same way - the show follows the same basic storyline as the comic it's based on, and the author is one of the executive producers of the show, but he allows them to switch up what happens to characters to keep people who are already familiar with the comic on their toes. No character is safe, even if they made it to the end of the comic.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 10, 2021, 06:03:17 PM ---No, I think to be a series, it has to have a least three, otherwise it's just a book and a sequel like you said.
I also can't fault anyone for hearing about money and saying "Holy ****, that's a lot of money." (Wasn't that what Kevin said in the doc? Can't fault the boys either.) We all like money, after all. You got paid for it in feedback! That's virtual dollar bills in your pockets! ;) Are reviews like bitcoin? haha In general, I feel like if you're writing anything because people are demanding more (whether it's for free or you're getting paid), it's never going to feel as satisfying to you. I can't speak from experience though, no one's ever demanded/begged/asked that I do anything.
I always think that when they turn the last book into a two-parter for a movie. Did the movie really need to be a two-parter? It's only one book. I think the Hobbit was worse off for that; it's not like the LTR trilogy was nine parts (and Two Towers would be awful as a multi-parter since it often drags). It's especially the worst when they change plot points; I get irrationally angry about that.
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Feedback is definitely fanfic writers' form of currency LOL.
As for two-parter movies for the last book in a series, I think it depends on the book. I liked it for Harry Potter because it allowed them to do my favorite HP book justice. The book is still better, but most of the things I loved about it are in those movies. But I don't think it was necessary with Twilight: Breaking Dawn because nothing really happens in the second half of that book. It's a build-up to absolutely nothing. They could have kept that as one movie.
I have only seen the first LOTR movie, and it was the longest 2.5 hours of my life up until I got dragged to see 50 Shades of Grey, so I can only imagine how drawn out and boring a trilogy of The Hobbit was.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 10, 2021, 07:51:38 PM ---3+ makes it feel more like a series, but I guess I consider anything with multiple books to be a series. Is there a better word for a book and its sequel?
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The internet says this word is "dilogy"! And apparently that LOTR is also one novel published in varying amounts of several parts (a "tiptych" wrould be a better way to describe the usual split of it: one novel in three parts). You learn something new every day!
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on February 10, 2021, 07:51:38 PM ---I'm sure money is a big factor in authors' decisions to write more books in a series, just like with movie sequels. As far as movie adaptations, I think I would demand creative control if someone wanted to buy the rights to my book. I would want to be one of the producers and have a say in the script.
Interestingly, though, there are some authors who are okay with huge changes between their book and the movie - in fact, some authors even instigate those changes themselves. I love both the book and movie version of "The Ruins" by Scott Smith - I just reread it last summer, actually, and learned that the author also wrote the screenplay for the movie, which has a ton of changes from the book. The basic plot is the same, but the ending is different, and he switched up what happened to the characters, so the same events happen but to different people. It's horror, so I guess he wanted to keep people who had read the book first guessing when they watched the movie, and vice versa. "The Walking Dead" is the same way - the show follows the same basic storyline as the comic it's based on, and the author is one of the executive producers of the show, but he allows them to switch up what happens to characters to keep people who are already familiar with the comic on their toes. No character is safe, even if they made it to the end of the comic.
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I think I would also. That stuff about The Ruins and Walking Dead is crazy! I wonder what you consider the canon continuity at that point. But I think they have the right idea; gotta make it interesting.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on February 10, 2021, 06:35:20 PM ---Here's a question: To Write or Not to Write! What do you do during those times when you feel like you have motivation or inspiration, but know that you'll have to stop writing to do something else at a specific time? Do you write with the time that you do have or do you wait until the thing you have to do is over and hope the inspiration/motivation sticks?
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I am not usually good at writing during small windows of time. I am such a slow writer that unless I have at least 2-3 hours, it feels pointless to even try. I do best when I know I have a whole day or night ahead of me with nothing else I absolutely have to do.
That said, if I'm truly inspired to the point that I'm already writing in my head anyway, I will hop on the computer and jot down what I can in whatever time I have. That is how I was able to type one-handed while drying my hair in the mornings before school when I was on the last leg of AHTIM. But that would never have happened if I wasn't already in that head space.
Knowing I have a three-day weekend coming up, I am using my evenings this week to think and research and jot down ideas in hopes I will be in the right head space to write by Friday night or Saturday morning.
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