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nicksgal:

--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:09:38 AM ---Oh man, that would be a big undertaking.  We'll see LOL.  It's not like I go back and look at old reviews often, but it's just nice to know I can if I'm feeling nostalgic.

Lenni should totally post her TMNT stories on AO3 if she's not already!  That's the downside to writing for other fandoms on AC; most of us only read BSB fic, so there's not a big audience for anything else.
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Well what's the next fanfic adjacent project you're planning?

Except for crossover fanfics where NSYNC is the villain. Like I'm pretty sure that is the only reason NSYNC and other boybands became categories on AC, lol. I looked it up. I was wrong. At least half of the 33 NSYNC stories are actually about NSYNC doing NSYNC things.


--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:09:38 AM ---Aww, sorry one of us spooked you!
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I'm like a baby deer, lol!



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:09:38 AM ---I don't even really remember.  I guess I was just going for something that sounded pretty and represented what fanfic was to me, which it still does - it's always been my secret safe space.  A lot of the fanfic sites I frequented back then had similar type names - Total Fantasy, Escape from Reality, Dreamer's Reality - so I went with the same vibe.  For as much time and thought as I put into thinking up titles for my stories now, I don't remember spending a lot of time coming up with it or what other names I may have had in mind.  I don't even know what I would change it to now if I decided to change it (which I wouldn't), so I guess it's good enough for me!

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That makes sense if many of the other sites you visited had a similar vibe you wanted to capture for yourself. I think it's a fitting website title, so it hasn't aged terribly or anything. :) But you're right, it would be fun if it was more Backstreet-y after all this time.

nicksgal:

--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:42:19 AM ---LMAO!  Fine... but only because I'm downstairs with both said blueprint and my phone readily available to take a pic of it.  Prepare to be amazed by my architectural skills: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pRSqyD5zQZx_WW9ihLgoErqFL_er88Q9/view?usp=sharing
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Yes! I love it! However, I see a road leading straight to the pool. Does that mean I could drive to Kevin's pool and swim in it? lol



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:42:19 AM ---That makes sense!  They probably did live in Atlanta before they got engaged because she's from Georgia and seems to get her way, so of course she would convince him to live close to her family and friends and not his.  Their current home is technically in Alpharetta, which is a suburb of Atlanta.
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LMAO at "and seems to get her way."



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:42:19 AM ---LOL!  What do you find most exhausting about it?  I've written a couple of stories (both unfinished) that take place during the Millennium tour, but Guilty Roads diverts from the real timeline pretty quickly in the beginning.  My Harry Potter crossover has only covered a couple of days so far, so once I figured out when to set it, I didn't have to worry much about the timeline.

The closest I've ever followed a real life timeline was with Curtain Call, and that did take a lot of outlining and fact-checking, but I had fun with it.  In some ways, it was easier to write a story set in 2010 because there were so many more resources around to find information - LD was still around, and there was Twitter and YouTube.  If I was writing about a specific show or soundcheck, I could look up videos or threads about that date.  That was actually helpful for giving me ideas and figuring out how to piece everything together.   I was also only writing a few months behind real time, so everything was pretty fresh in my mind.  Not like going back 22 years!  But the downside of that was that if I didn't get something right, readers were more likely to notice than they would be with a story set in 1999.  I don't think anyone's going to call you out if you mix something up.
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First, I hadn't written it down until I was typing this post yesterday, so I had to keep looking things up and that was annoying. This is a fatal flaw I suffer from, lol! (See: "Oh yeah, I lied, I did pick gemstones for a reason; I'd forgotten.") I have now written it down and you're right to laugh because four things doesn't seem that daunting to keep track of. Second, I think because I'm betting there are a bunch of media appearances (radio or television) in various places during that time that I can't remember, which might skew my version of events. That being said, if I don't remember them and Nick clearly thinks he was 16 when they recorded IWITW, then maybe no one else will be able to call me out on my four item detailed timeline being off, lol. Finding out that they recorded the Disney Concert before the tour was actually a load off of those worries, because then I knew they had to have rehearsed before the album was actually released, which gives a bigger chunk of time to do that in during the month of April, rather than stressing about how they rehearsed and promoted Millennium in the same two week time frame between Millennium's release and starting the tour at the beginning of June overseas. And you're honestly right, I'm not sure why I'm so worried about it because the story takes place over maybe a week... if even.

I can see why it would be a blessing and a curse to write something much closer to real time. You have all the resources at your finger tips, but so does everyone else. And because of that, why you'd need to be more meticulous. PBox&Co does have a timeline that I am fairly meticulous about, but the nice thing is that I made it up, so I don't have to go digging up specific footage or anything.


--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 01:42:19 AM ---But aww... looking at that timeline makes me smile.  That was such a magical time in the fandom.  IWITW is what took me from a casual fan to an obsessed fangirl, so everything was so fresh and fun back then.  I remember putting on MTV late at night in hopes they would play the IWITW video and dropping everything when I heard that plane roar in at the beginning. Preordering my copy of Millennium at Sam Goody at the mall.  Listening to it on repeat on my Discman all the way to Six Flags and back for my 8th grade field trip the week it came out. Taping the Disney concert on TV.  Talking my parents into taking me to my first concert and then crying all day when the tickets sold out in a matter of seconds, even though my mom and I were online and my dad was in line at a physical box office when they were released.  Heartbreaking!  We did eventually get tickets for the second leg, though, so it all worked out in the end.

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Such a magical time! The plane roar, AJ's laugh in LTL. Any of it, I'd drop whatever. To this day, hubs and I like to play a game at bars where we see who can name the song and the artist the quickest and my IWITW record is two notes; I'm fairly quick at other BSB songs too, but I am a savant at recognizing IWITW. I didn't actually own the CD until Christmas because my mother was a present saver when I was a child. She quickly learned that that would not be allowable in a Backstreet Boys household. (Also I miss Sam Goody.) Confession: I have actually purchased Millennium three times on CD because I played it so much that it scratched beyond repair.

Are you me? That was my same ITM Tour experience except we didn't get a second leg here (and we were only online). :( I eventually won tickets, but I was sooo heartbroken at first. I blame a new arena blocking off hoards of tickets for their investors for it being so bad. B&B was much easier to get tickets for.

On a side note, thank goodness physically waiting for tickets isn't a thing anymore, lol. I think the last time I did it was the KIISMAS Snowball in 2003.

RokofAges75:

--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:35:20 PM ---I looked and I didn't skip any. So, not sure what's going on there. Short of readjusting dates, I'm not sure how to fix it.

Did 00Carter actually have a planed definitive end? Maybe it does and I missed that. I think it's fine if it never ends. Let's update it when we're sixty, lol.

Same. It had six couplets in there total, but two of my favorites were "benign and brilliant" and "horrifyingly hellish." There, no spoilers! lol

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Hm... I would check again if I were you.  Double check the year especially.  I'm not sure what else it would be.  Mine all reflected the right dates once I made sure I had every chapter backdated correctly.

Nope, 00Carter had plans for "Season 2 and beyond," so it could theoretically go on forever LOL.  I'm fine with that too.

Love those alliterations!



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:35:20 PM ---We had a bit more creative writing, but it was really minimal compared to essays with the organizers. I remember writing some fiction pieces in middle school and definitely in elementary school, but almost nothing in high school. There was a poetry elective we could take and I took that, but I don't remember any on fiction. I would have definitely signed up if there had been. I wonder if there's less creative writing in higher grades because the teachers don't feel equipped to teach or model it effectively. Like maybe they don't consider themselves creative types. As you know, I have a BA in English and took a few courses in the BFA track, but none of those other students said they were also in the School of Ed. I don't want to generalize here and say no teachers anywhere explore creative writing pursuits, but that would make sense why fiction instruction dwindles as time goes. I will also say, it's probably easier to teach someone else conventions, format, word choice, etcetera than deep diving into plot structure, character arcs, and so on. Like you could spend weeks alone talking about Campbell's "The Hero's Journey" without ever writing a single thing down. And if you're really wanting to teach a fiction class, I would think the focus would need to be about output more than analysis, but there also needs to be a good background to provide a foundation. That's probably a lot of why creative writing gets pushed off until the university level. There's also that and the assessment piece. It's way easier to assess "understands how to write dialogue and use creative verbs" versus "tells a compelling story," which is more subjective.

Also, right? The minute I learned that essay paragraphs, like chapters, were as many as the essay needed (and each one was as long as it needed to be), my life changed forever, lol.

I'm sure you're doing a great job teaching them creative pursuits! :) I think as long as you're giving them space to practice and try it out, that's what matters. I don't really think fourth graders are at a place where they're ready for concrit yet (again, on a story telling level, not on a conventions level), but maybe you've inspired the future fanfic writers of the next generation who will one day look up Campbell or whoever to further their writing. :) Let's just hope they stay in the BTS fandom or whoever the next boyband craze is rather than becoming BSB fans and finding you, lol.

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I think writing fiction isn't emphasized in higher grades because it's less important as far as college and career readiness goes.  It's more important to be able to write to inform, persuade, or analyze than to entertain.  But kids who enjoy creative writing can take whatever basics they learn in elementary school and grow from there the same way we did - by reading and writing for fun and learning from experience.

Thanks! :)  LOL This is why I write under a pen name, just in case.  Even on the off chance one of them did become a BSB fan and stumbled onto one of my stories, they would never know who really wrote it.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:35:20 PM ---I am dying at "You meddling Backstreet Boys"! lmao The world's hottest boyband is now the world's craftiest team of crime solvers! lol (Or "hottest team of crime solvers" might still work, lol.)

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LOL I would read a story about the Boys driving around in a groovy van, fighting crime and solving mysteries.  Zoinks!



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:35:20 PM ---Here's a loaded question for you: Is Broken at least as good as Swollen Issues II or did it surpass it? Feel free to skip if it's too loaded, lol. I've said it before, but I think the care and attention to detail speaks volumes about the growth you made and is shown in the writing. :)

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That's such a hard question to answer because I feel like I'm biased either way.  Broken is my baby, and I love it, but I didn't experience it as a reader the same way I did Swollen Issues.  From a grammatical standpoint, I think Broken is better-written, but that has a lot to do with one of the authors of Swollen speaking English as a second language.  From an emotional standpoint, Broken never made me cry the way Swollen did, but that probably has a lot to do with the writer vs. reader thing.  As we've discussed, it's rare for me to make myself cry with my own stories.  Beyond that, I can't really compare.  I haven't read Swollen in its entirety since the Broken era, so I would need to reread it as a full-fledged adult and try to compare the experience to rereading Broken without my writer hat on.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:35:20 PM ---Yeah setting is tough! Especially when a lot of our stories use the same settings that can be really generic if needed. I'd argue that as a fandom, description (at least in terms of establishing characters and places) is not our strong point. Probably for the reason that we just assume the blanks will get filled in. Like sure, use some words to give perfect grounding in this blond-haired, blue-eyed kid's routine when he wakes up on the road again... like how the water sloshes in the sink when he brushes his teeth... or just say "Nick was on his tour bus and then it crashed." Done. Easy. lol This is probably how the misconception "all of Florida = beachfront" started. At least with a little research, we could have had the Boys buy a house together in Miami where that would be more likely to be true, lol. I'm mad that I know so many vocabulary words about features in a desert, but it's worth it to avoid "it was a desert." lol

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That's probably true for most fanfic; we spend less time on character development and description than OF authors because we assume our readers already know who our main characters are and what they look like, so it seems like a waste of time to spend too many words describing them.  It's kinda like those middle grade series we talked about recently, where the first or second chapter gives a recap of the characters and what happened in the previous book(s).  I usually skimmed through that section with series that I read in order because I didn't need to be reminded.  But it came in handy if I accidentally started a series out of order.  (For example, the first Lurlene McDaniel book I ever read was one I ordered out of the book order in 4th grade, not knowing it one of the later books in her One Last Wish series.  That back story and character description was super important in filling in the gaps until I got the other books to read.)  I tend to use more description of characters and settings in AU because it feels more like OF.

LOL I think the "Florida = all beachfront" thing just stemmed from the naivety of most of us being kids at the time.  Most of us weren't familiar with Florida geography, and since the internet was still a newer thing, the concept of just googling a map of Florida to see where Orlando was compared to the ocean probably didn't even occur to us.  A beach house in Miami or even Tampa would have made much more sense.  It's definitely easier to write about a place when you've been there or at least researched it thoroughly, like you have with the desert.

nicksgal:

--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 11:08:30 PM ---Hm... I would check again if I were you.  Double check the year especially.  I'm not sure what else it would be.  Mine all reflected the right dates once I made sure I had every chapter backdated correctly.

Nope, 00Carter had plans for "Season 2 and beyond," so it could theoretically go on forever LOL.  I'm fine with that too.

Love those alliterations!
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Next fanfic adjacent project, lol. Did I backdate correctly? I had nightmares about accidentally clicking the "orphan work" button while trying to backdate, so maybe that did it.

Is Season One even finished? Will we ever get to Season Two, let alone finish the whole story?

Thanks!



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 11:08:30 PM ---I think writing fiction isn't emphasized in higher grades because it's less important as far as college and career readiness goes.  It's more important to be able to write to inform, persuade, or analyze than to entertain.  But kids who enjoy creative writing can take whatever basics they learn in elementary school and grow from there the same way we did - by reading and writing for fun and learning from experience.

Thanks! :)  LOL This is why I write under a pen name, just in case.  Even on the off chance one of them did become a BSB fan and stumbled onto one of my stories, they would never know who really wrote it.
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It's a shame it isn't. I feel like more of high school should allow for elective selection rather than just focusing on graduation requirements to prepare for college and career. I only say this knowing I finished 90% of my requirements by Junior Year, so I was really taking things like calculus as an elective because my mom wanted me to or AP Physics because my friends said we should all do it together... We should not have done it all together, lol.

Maybe it's better to do it for fun anyway. I think I would have hated it more if it was an assignment.

I think you've hidden yourself pretty well on the interwebs. In that case, I hope it happens for you, but never for me! lol



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 11:08:30 PM ---LOL I would read a story about the Boys driving around in a groovy van, fighting crime and solving mysteries.  Zoinks!
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LMFAO!



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 11:08:30 PM ---That's such a hard question to answer because I feel like I'm biased either way.  Broken is my baby, and I love it, but I didn't experience it as a reader the same way I did Swollen Issues.  From a grammatical standpoint, I think Broken is better-written, but that has a lot to do with one of the authors of Swollen speaking English as a second language.  From an emotional standpoint, Broken never made me cry the way Swollen did, but that probably has a lot to do with the writer vs. reader thing.  As we've discussed, it's rare for me to make myself cry with my own stories.  Beyond that, I can't really compare.  I haven't read Swollen in its entirety since the Broken era, so I would need to reread it as a full-fledged adult and try to compare the experience to rereading Broken without my writer hat on.
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Fair. Like you said, I can see both sides. Have you ever talked with anyone who read both? Either, they found you from Swollen Issues or you led them to it from Broken?



--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on July 11, 2021, 11:08:30 PM ---That's probably true for most fanfic; we spend less time on character development and description than OF authors because we assume our readers already know who our main characters are and what they look like, so it seems like a waste of time to spend too many words describing them.  It's kinda like those middle grade series we talked about recently, where the first or second chapter gives a recap of the characters and what happened in the previous book(s).  I usually skimmed through that section with series that I read in order because I didn't need to be reminded.  But it came in handy if I accidentally started a series out of order.  (For example, the first Lurlene McDaniel book I ever read was one I ordered out of the book order in 4th grade, not knowing it one of the later books in her One Last Wish series.  That back story and character description was super important in filling in the gaps until I got the other books to read.)  I tend to use more description of characters and settings in AU because it feels more like OF.

LOL I think the "Florida = all beachfront" thing just stemmed from the naivety of most of us being kids at the time.  Most of us weren't familiar with Florida geography, and since the internet was still a newer thing, the concept of just googling a map of Florida to see where Orlando was compared to the ocean probably didn't even occur to us.  A beach house in Miami or even Tampa would have made much more sense.  It's definitely easier to write about a place when you've been there or at least researched it thoroughly, like you have with the desert.

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Yeah, I think I usually ended up skipping the first few chapters of every Babysitters Club book now that you mention it. Why would I need to be reminded of something I loved? lol I guess it does feel like a little of a waste in a BSB fanfic, but then part of me thinks "Would I really mind someone waxing poetic on Nick's smile or Kevin's eyebrows or Brian's curls or Howie's wink or AJ's eyes when he just so slightly pulls down his sunglasses because it's the 90s again?" Probably not. Go ahead and replace Nick's smile with literally any part of his face while we're at it, lol. I'm pretty sure I never ordered a series out of order specifically to avoid having to read the backstory chapters, lol.

I don't think I ever considered using the internet to look up a map until I was writing PBox and needed a vague idea of New York City, lol. So you're right, "Florida is surrounded by ocean and Orlando is a city in Florida, therefore, Orlando is beachfront" is a pretty logical leap, lol. See, I thought about saying Tampa, but I figured if the Boys really did all live in a beach house together, Nick would want to be as far away from his family as possible. Isn't that why he likes the Keys so much? Obviously it has nothing to do with them being islands and islands being awesome, lol.

This is really off topic, but speaking of Nick's family... I was thinking the other day about how his mom made Brian his legal guardian in Germany. First of all, how crazy is that to look at some 18-year-old and say "yes, you can be my 13-year-old's legal guardian." I'm guessing Brian didn't just volunteer. lol. Was it because Brian's Christian values seemed more wholesome than Kevin who had been a legal adult for a few years at that point? I have so many questions.

RokofAges75:

--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:41:34 PM ---People laugh when I say I went semi-sober for my novel, but it's true! It makes me way more productive.

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Same!  Sometimes I'll have one drink while I write, but any more than that and it usually just makes me sleepy.  I am definitely more of a social drinker.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:41:34 PM ---Well, welcome back! Glad to have you around again. I'm glad the neighbors will be undisturbed by your night painting. What did you end up doing yesterday? Painting or writing?

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Thanks!

Um, technically neither, but I did get the bathroom all prepped for painting.  I wiped down the walls, put down painter's tape, and took all my painting supplies upstairs.  It's all ready for me to go up there, pour some paint in the tray, and go for it.  Maybe tonight, unless I get on a writing kick.  I finally had a good writing session after waking up this afternoon LOL.  I forced myself to make coffee and take it back to bed, and voila!  I stayed there three hours and wrote over 700 words, which is by far the most productive writing session I've had this month.  I'm now nearing the middle of my chapter, so I hope the rest will be easier.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:41:34 PM ---Awesome! I'll have to check it out. It's premiering on Thursday on Vice TV. They really don't. I think it's because of the "squeaky clean" persona of boybands.

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Oh cool, I'll have to look that up!  I think I have that channel.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:53:29 PM ---Well what's the next fanfic adjacent project you're planning?

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I need to finish my editing-all-the-mistakes-Google-Docs-found project first, and once I finish that, I'm going to make new ebook versions with the new covers I made earlier in the summer.  I haven't felt like working on that in a while either though.  Why did I write such long stories?! LOL



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 05:53:29 PM ---That makes sense if many of the other sites you visited had a similar vibe you wanted to capture for yourself. I think it's a fitting website title, so it hasn't aged terribly or anything. :) But you're right, it would be fun if it was more Backstreet-y after all this time.

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If only Safest Place to Hide existed in April 2000!  I had that song playing in the background of my site for quite a while after NG came out because I felt it perfectly fit the theme.  It even has the word "sanctuary" in it LOL.  But at least I didn't call it something like "jOoLiEe'Z kEwL bSb FaNfIcZ!"  That would have aged much worse.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 06:15:57 PM ---Yes! I love it! However, I see a road leading straight to the pool. Does that mean I could drive to Kevin's pool and swim in it? lol

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LOL Those are just walkways.  The driveway is off the garage, and you can't even see the house from the road down below/Google Street View.  Gotta use the satellite view and zoom in on 3D to see anything LOL.  Since he doesn't live there anymore, here is the realtor.com listing that has the address if you want to look it up on Google Maps: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1377-Miller-Dr_Los-Angeles_CA_90069_M29784-27493

Yeah, I'm a stalker.  All in the name of accuracy! LOL



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 06:15:57 PM ---First, I hadn't written it down until I was typing this post yesterday, so I had to keep looking things up and that was annoying. This is a fatal flaw I suffer from, lol! (See: "Oh yeah, I lied, I did pick gemstones for a reason; I'd forgotten.") I have now written it down and you're right to laugh because four things doesn't seem that daunting to keep track of.

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I get this.  I typically keep track of timelines in my outlines for stories like this, but putting in every tour date or whatever is so time-consuming!  I did it for Curtain Call because there's a good chunk of chapters that follows the first leg of the TIU tour from city to city, so I needed to know every date.  But for MBK, I just put in the start and end dates of each leg of the Unbreakable tour.  I can't tell you how many times I've had to look up the full list of tour dates in Wikipedia to find out where they were on specific dates in between, and they were only on tour for a few chapters LOL.  I guess even if I did write them down, I would have still had to look them up on my outline, so I'm not sure it would have saved me much time.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 06:15:57 PM ---Second, I think because I'm betting there are a bunch of media appearances (radio or television) in various places during that time that I can't remember, which might skew my version of events. That being said, if I don't remember them and Nick clearly thinks he was 16 when they recorded IWITW, then maybe no one else will be able to call me out on my four item detailed timeline being off, lol. Finding out that they recorded the Disney Concert before the tour was actually a load off of those worries, because then I knew they had to have rehearsed before the album was actually released, which gives a bigger chunk of time to do that in during the month of April, rather than stressing about how they rehearsed and promoted Millennium in the same two week time frame between Millennium's release and starting the tour at the beginning of June overseas. And you're honestly right, I'm not sure why I'm so worried about it because the story takes place over maybe a week... if even.

I can see why it would be a blessing and a curse to write something much closer to real time. You have all the resources at your finger tips, but so does everyone else. And because of that, why you'd need to be more meticulous. PBox&Co does have a timeline that I am fairly meticulous about, but the nice thing is that I made it up, so I don't have to go digging up specific footage or anything.

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Yeah, I think that's the advantage to you writing so far in the past.  I doubt anyone's going to remember what specific media appearances they did when.  I am pretty sure they did that two-hour live MTV special on the Sunday before Millennium came out and then a shorter live special on release day.  I still have both of those on a VHS tape somehow and used to watch the two-hour one a lot.  Beyond that, I don't remember.

It's definitely easier when you make up the timeline yourself, as long as you keep track of it so you can stay consistent.



--- Quote from: nicksgal on July 11, 2021, 06:15:57 PM ---Such a magical time! The plane roar, AJ's laugh in LTL. Any of it, I'd drop whatever. To this day, hubs and I like to play a game at bars where we see who can name the song and the artist the quickest and my IWITW record is two notes; I'm fairly quick at other BSB songs too, but I am a savant at recognizing IWITW. I didn't actually own the CD until Christmas because my mother was a present saver when I was a child. She quickly learned that that would not be allowable in a Backstreet Boys household. (Also I miss Sam Goody.) Confession: I have actually purchased Millennium three times on CD because I played it so much that it scratched beyond repair.

Are you me? That was my same ITM Tour experience except we didn't get a second leg here (and we were only online). :( I eventually won tickets, but I was sooo heartbroken at first. I blame a new arena blocking off hoards of tickets for their investors for it being so bad. B&B was much easier to get tickets for.

On a side note, thank goodness physically waiting for tickets isn't a thing anymore, lol. I think the last time I did it was the KIISMAS Snowball in 2003.

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IWITW is so iconic!  Seriously one of the best pop songs of all time, even if it makes no sense LOL.  OMG, I would have been so mad at my mom for doing that!  That's a long time to hang on to a present!  My dad worked at the mall where Sam Goody was, so I had him pick up my reserved copy and was waiting at the door for him like a dog when he got home from work that day LOL.  Of course he messed with me and acted like he forgot to pick it up, but he didn't forget.  My original copy still works, surprisingly!  I can't remember the last time I played one of the physical CDs because I have everything digital now, but I still have them all.

Aww, the heartbreak is real!  That's the only tour that happened to me to as well.  We didn't have any trouble with B&B or anything since, but I think it's a big reason why so many of us get so much anxiety over buying tickets.  We have PTSD! LOL.  I'm glad you eventually won tickets!  We relied on the radio station to get tickets for the second leg; they offered a charter bus trip to the St. Louis show that guaranteed tickets, so we jumped on that opportunity.  God bless my saint of a mother for taking me, my sister, and my best friend on a bus full of BSB fans for six hours round trip LOL.

I'm also a big fan of having instant digital tickets, although I do miss having paper tickets to put in my BSB concert scrapbook.

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