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Just a general pop in thread
mare:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on June 21, 2024, 10:41:01 PM ---I bet the kids enjoyed listening to the bardcore songs. I think they're so fun!
James Newton Howard composed the music for The Hunger Games trilogy and most of M. Night Shyamalan's movies, among other things. He isn't as well-known as composers like John Williams and Danny Elfman, but I really enjoy a lot his scores. They make great writing music because they can create a mood without being distracting.
The Walking Dead does have a great theme song! I appreciate shows that still have theme songs and credit sequences. Game of Thrones is another really good one, so good that they've reused the same theme song for House of the Dragon.
You'll probably hear the Succession theme in the Olympics this year, unless Ilia Malinin changes his figure skating program before then. That was a great choice of music for him. I've gotten some good writing music from watching figure skating, especially in other Olympic years, so I'm looking forward to that!
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I enjoy finding out about new composers. I'll listen. I can already imagine what he sounds like based on the movies you mentioned.
Most of my favorite shows have had stand out theme songs. It's one of the things that always pulls me in. I am one of those annoying people that never ever skips the intro when given the chance. Sometimes that ends up being the best part of the episode. LOL Another killer theme song is The West Wing.
I have seen his program a lot. Kieran's wife posted it on Instagram. That's actually not the theme song though. It's more of a mashup of the background music. Including the Etude I posted earlier. I use the theme for my ring tone! I never answer my phone but I let it ring all the way through so I can hear the song! LOL Another classic!
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: mare on June 22, 2024, 08:40:19 AM ---Oh, fun! I hope you're having a great time.
I sometimes wonder about that too. If the readers catch all the inconsistencie s. Sometimes when I go reread an older chapter to remember something I'll wince because I notice oops the name of the store I used changed or I forgot he mentioned that already. No one's ever said anything.
I know when I read things, I never really notice. I'm reading a novel now that's a sequel to a story I read forever ago, and I really loved that novel but for the life of me, I can't place the main character of this one at all! I mean I know she was in the first one because I remember the description, but who she was and what she did, no clue! I even went back and checked the Goodreads summary and my own review and neither of them mention this person! I feel like how I do when someone tries to friend me on FB and we have a million friends in common and supposedly were in the same click but I have no clue who they are! Anway, maybe after a few chapters, I'll figure out who the main character is. I guess the good news is, you can read this sequel without having to have read the first book. LOL
Not to go off on a tangent, but this one girl named Leslie, who always comments on my posts and always talks about oh my god I remember when we went there! That was so much fun!!! And I STILL for the life of my have no idea who she is! I have messaged all of my high school friends and most of them are the same as me. It's like this person was a part of our group, which admittedly was big, but not one of us has a clue who she is!
I always prefer reading and writing in first person, but I know what you mean. It seems like the general consensus enjoys third person. Most of the things I read are third person, but sometimes there is too much emphasis on description and not enough dialogue and for me the dialogue is what moves a story along.
It is a good thing we can separate real from fiction. I try to do that with people too. Not to always judge them for certain things they say and try to separate that from other things I like about them. If I didn't do that, i'd hardly have any friends. Especially when it comes to politics! LOL
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Yup, it's been nice to see everybody!
Generally, I don't think most readers pay as much attention to the details of our stories as we do, but then there are those that are either very invested in the story or just have a good memory for details and will recall something or catch a mistake I wouldn't have expected them to. Since a lot of your readers seemed to care more about Roman and Gerri's relationship, I wonder if they would have noticed if you changed the back story of that.
I don't tend to notice or fixate on details like that unless it's something I've read multiple times or something about it was particularly memorable. I'm sure it's even harder to remember characters when you read as many books as you do. I watched the first episode of Season 2 of House of the Dragon earlier this week and had to pause and look up a character list to remind myself of the kids' names and who they belonged to because all their names are very similar, and I couldn't keep track. I probably should have rewatched Season 1 before I started Season 2 because it's been a while. I remembered the most important plot points but forgot some of the details like that.
That's funny about your "friend"(?) Leslie that no one quite remembers! I hope she really did go to high school with you and isn't just some creeper who's pretending to have known you. Do you have yearbooks you could look back at?
It was interesting to me to see such a strong preference for third person among fanfic readers because first person seems more popular for published fiction nowadays. What I've gathered is that there is a different expectation for fanfic because it's about familiar characters; readers want to see those characters' names repeated throughout the story and don't think writers should be writing from those characters POV unless that's how the original source media was written. Hunger Games fanfic written from Katniss's POV or Twilight fanfic written from Bella's might be fine, but they don't like Harry Potter fanfic written from Harry's POV because those books were originally in third person. I can kind of see the logic in that, even though it doesn't matter to me. I just choose the POV that seems like it will work best for the story I'm writing. First person works well for stories that focus on the emotional experience of just one or two main characters, whereas I prefer third person for stories with a lot of important characters. I agree with you that third person tends to be more descriptive, though, which can be a good or bad thing. I like description, but I also find myself skimming past paragraphs of description to get to the dialogue when I read - like you said, the dialogue is what moves the story along. I was more prone to writing in purple prose when I wrote in third person. I sometimes have a harder time maintaining a consistent tone when I write in first person, though. Sometimes it sounds like a real person telling a story, and sometimes it sounds too literary.
LOL Yes, that is a good point - you have to separate the art from the artist and the politics from the person. Otherwise, it would be hard to be friends with or a fan of anyone. If they're a good person otherwise, I can usually overlook major differences in opinion/preference on politics, sports teams, etc.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: mare on June 22, 2024, 08:47:09 AM ---I enjoy finding out about new composers. I'll listen. I can already imagine what he sounds like based on the movies you mentioned.
Most of my favorite shows have had stand out theme songs. It's one of the things that always pulls me in. I am one of those annoying people that never ever skips the intro when given the chance. Sometimes that ends up being the best part of the episode. LOL Another killer theme song is The West Wing.
I have seen his program a lot. Kieran's wife posted it on Instagram. That's actually not the theme song though. It's more of a mashup of the background music. Including the Etude I posted earlier. I use the theme for my ring tone! I never answer my phone but I let it ring all the way through so I can hear the song! LOL Another classic!
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Here is a nice medley of James Newton Howard's music from M. Night Shyamalan's movies: https://youtu.be/EO-q-24cXEY?si=1XpTAALCU-RnCw3G The Village and Lady in the Water are two of my favorites of his scores.
It depends on the show, but there are some I never or rarely skip the intro for - Game of Thrones, Dexter, ER, and The Walking Dead, to name a few. Streaming has been good for show intros because they're not limited on time like network shows, and they can give the option to skip intros for those who find them annoying when they're binging a show.
mare:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on June 22, 2024, 08:35:12 PM ---Yup, it's been nice to see everybody!
Generally, I don't think most readers pay as much attention to the details of our stories as we do, but then there are those that are either very invested in the story or just have a good memory for details and will recall something or catch a mistake I wouldn't have expected them to. Since a lot of your readers seemed to care more about Roman and Gerri's relationship, I wonder if they would have noticed if you changed the back story of that.
I don't tend to notice or fixate on details like that unless it's something I've read multiple times or something about it was particularly memorable. I'm sure it's even harder to remember characters when you read as many books as you do. I watched the first episode of Season 2 of House of the Dragon earlier this week and had to pause and look up a character list to remind myself of the kids' names and who they belonged to because all their names are very similar, and I couldn't keep track. I probably should have rewatched Season 1 before I started Season 2 because it's been a while. I remembered the most important plot points but forgot some of the details like that.
That's funny about your "friend"(?) Leslie that no one quite remembers! I hope she really did go to high school with you and isn't just some creeper who's pretending to have known you. Do you have yearbooks you could look back at?
It was interesting to me to see such a strong preference for third person among fanfic readers because first person seems more popular for published fiction nowadays. What I've gathered is that there is a different expectation for fanfic because it's about familiar characters; readers want to see those characters' names repeated throughout the story and don't think writers should be writing from those characters POV unless that's how the original source media was written. Hunger Games fanfic written from Katniss's POV or Twilight fanfic written from Bella's might be fine, but they don't like Harry Potter fanfic written from Harry's POV because those books were originally in third person. I can kind of see the logic in that, even though it doesn't matter to me. I just choose the POV that seems like it will work best for the story I'm writing. First person works well for stories that focus on the emotional experience of just one or two main characters, whereas I prefer third person for stories with a lot of important characters. I agree with you that third person tends to be more descriptive, though, which can be a good or bad thing. I like description, but I also find myself skimming past paragraphs of description to get to the dialogue when I read - like you said, the dialogue is what moves the story along. I was more prone to writing in purple prose when I wrote in third person. I sometimes have a harder time maintaining a consistent tone when I write in first person, though. Sometimes it sounds like a real person telling a story, and sometimes it sounds too literary.
LOL Yes, that is a good point - you have to separate the art from the artist and the politics from the person. Otherwise, it would be hard to be friends with or a fan of anyone. If they're a good person otherwise, I can usually overlook major differences in opinion/preference on politics, sports teams, etc.
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I don't tend to pay attention to the small details either unless it's something that is repeated throughout. Like if they talk about so and so's auburn hair and use it a few times but then two chapters later they say that person has blonde hair. I notice things like that, but otherwise, it has to be pretty major for me to remember.
I have a heck of a time remembering plot lines from one season to the next, especially if it's been more than a summer we'd have to wait between seasons. Remember, back in the old days when we used to only have to wait three months for a new season which was on average 20 - 22 episodes long? Those were the days! I feel like as the wait time between seasons gets longer, the episode count gets shorter. Now it seems most of them are decreasing from 10 to 8. I know it's nice for the actors because they can work on multiple things now instead of being stuck to one series until it ends, but for the rest of us, it sucks! Like all this waiting for Stranger Things and it's only going to be 8 episodes long. It almost seems like a waste of time, unless they are the best episodes ever!
Leslie definitely did go to my high school. The best we can come up with is that maybe she was a friend of a friend and hung out with us occasionally. Another weird thing about her, is she wasn't involved in any of the arts. Not choir or band. Which is primarily where my click came from. :shrug: she's a mystery. At least she's really nice. LOL
What you said about the first person, third person thing does make a lot of sense. A lot of books now tend to mash up the two. Depending on the character, they either were told first person or third, which is kind of confusing, until you get the hang of reading like that. I've read quite a handful of books that have done that. My eyes tend to gloss over all the descriptive text to find the dialogue as well, unless the writing is so fluid it doesn't bother me.
I just tend to stay silent when people are being cancelled because I very rarely will refuse to watch or read something by somebody who ends up being a terrible person. I'm watching them be someone else, not them. Or reading their characters not an autobiography. Especially when it comes to the sports people, who by all rights many of them are not great people. LOL
mare:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on June 22, 2024, 08:41:14 PM ---Here is a nice medley of James Newton Howard's music from M. Night Shyamalan's movies: https://youtu.be/EO-q-24cXEY?si=1XpTAALCU-RnCw3G The Village and Lady in the Water are two of my favorites of his scores.
It depends on the show, but there are some I never or rarely skip the intro for - Game of Thrones, Dexter, ER, and The Walking Dead, to name a few. Streaming has been good for show intros because they're not limited on time like network shows, and they can give the option to skip intros for those who find them annoying when they're binging a show.
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Thanks! I will listen to that when I do my legs later!
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