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julilly:
Yes, I read the same thing on duplicates. I suspect most folks who cross posted won’t have done so via open door, but rather posted to A03 at the time they posted it elsewhere.

I still have reservations about forcing people to opt out, rather than having people who want to be included opt in. I fully disagree with Open Door’s stance that this is the same as moving a site to a new host. It’s not at all. It’s the duplication of copyrighted content from one database, onto another entirely new database, with a different set of terms.

After all we did to combat copyright infringement in the past, to then openly infringe on the copyright of our own member base feels disrespectful. Especially when you consider that OTW has a $500,000USD annual budget, 40.5% of which is spent on fundraising and administration (operational costs for A03 are separate). They use the influx of content from absorbing other platforms to increase the number of people they can ask for money from. Now if you’ve agreed to their terms of service and have posted content then great, you know that you’re contributing to a system built to generate funds from its membership. But I just feel icky about forcing people who might not be around anymore to be participants simply because their email might have changed.

Clearly others don’t though, so it doesn’t matter what I think! I’ll just be sure to go delete my content in advance.

Sakabelle:
Thanks both for the clarification. While I still do not agree with this approach, I appreciate the information on how to block this from happening for my own works.

I've gone ahead and removed my fics from AC and will be contacting OTW as a precaution as well.

nicksgal:
I think this opt-in versus opt-out is a valid point worth discussing, but I'm also wondering if these archive transfer terms are pretty boilerplate and not customized based on the original archive's wishes. Would it be very difficult for us to attempt an internal opt-in prior to whatever process is completed by Open Doors?

Mamogirl85:
Hi everyone! And long time seeing a lot of faces!  :)

I'm still trying to understand the issue but, as for my works, I wouldn't mind if they get transferred to AO3, since I have been using it for years. I do think and believe that it would be a real shame if this fandom would lose part of its history, given the amount of stories that are being archivied here. But, at the same time, I do agree that it isn't fair for the authors not having a say about having their works transferred to another archive without their consents.

Cinzia

Sakabelle:

--- Quote from: nicksgal on January 19, 2025, 12:30:01 AM ---I think this opt-in versus opt-out is a valid point worth discussing, but I'm also wondering if these archive transfer terms are pretty boilerplate and not customized based on the original archive's wishes. Would it be very difficult for us to attempt an internal opt-in prior to whatever process is completed by Open Doors?

--- End quote ---

My major concern with this is that the works will end up on AO3 and that website has a fairly large and detailed TOS that any imported works would then be subject to. The original authors do not get the chance to agree to them. For example:

Jurisdiction: The AO3 TOS, the relationship between you and the OTW, and all disputes arising out of or related to them shall be governed by the laws of the United States and specifically the State of New York, without regard to any conflict-of-law provisions. You and the OTW agree to submit to the personal and exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located within New York County (Manhattan), New York, and to waive any objection to the laying of venue there.

This could be extremely concerning to someone who is not a resident of the USA. Which we likely do have quite a few non-Americans on AC.

I have works on AO3 but it’s just important to know that their TOS are quite strict and to auto move all of these works to an archive with much stricter TOS with an auto opt-in policy seems icky.

We also previously had done so much work to stop plagiarism and having our stories adjusted and posted without our consent, so doing this now, when so many of the authors are gone and likely not aware this is happening seems a tad hypocritical.

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