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Welcome => Rules and News => Topic started by: mare on June 19, 2009, 10:49:13 PM
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Here's a little story for everyone...
Once upon a time, Tonja decided to join the AC forum ??? I know.... go figure? Just in case you don't know who we are talking about. She's the one who constantly steals other people's work. Taking credit for it, not owning up to it...then when found out, she goes into hiding only to turn up somewhere else and do it all over again. Tonja decided to make this one of her homes. She might have done this for several different reasons.
Reason 1. She was bored and felt like she needed some adventure in her life.
Reason 2. She thought we were all morons and wouldn't figure it out.
Reason 3. She just thought this looked like a nice place to hang not having ANY idea she was entering the lion's den.
Whatever the case, she joined and we sat and waited for the right opportunity to call her out. Just like we predicted, within the first week, she started to post stories that were not her own. Maybe it was crisis of conscience or perhaps she realized we were serious about catching plagairists, but she stopped doing that on here. However, her copycat antics haven't stopped at all.
Her SN on this and a few other forums is LuckyMe aka Jess. I know, she seems like a wonderful girl. She might be...who knows? But she is the ever elusive Tonja. The same one who has stolen all of the stories below...Read the list in amazement people. Julie was nice enough to compile this list for us. Just take a second, heck...you might even be on it! if you are SURPRISE!! And welcome to the club. :-[
http://www.dreamers-sanctuary.com/tanja.html
The reason I decided to out her tonight, is because once again she's at it. This time she's resorting to use her twitter account to garner false praise. Her twitter SN is LuckyBailey. Please know anything this girl posts is not her own work. She shouldn't be allowed to get away with it anymore.
I know for a fact that lots of people come to this forum and will see this. Some of you might be friends with 'Jess'. That's great, but if you condone this kind of behavior, she'll never change. She doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. That's apparent by the MANY times she has been confronted on the issue.
So, 'Jess' we know it's you. I'm sure you know that. But be aware that EVERYONE will know it's you. We are going to send this list with your SN/IP address to all the forums we know including that stupid I heart horses one...what was the name of that one guys? lol
Games up! You're out!
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It is freaking RIDICULOUS that this girl has plagiarized AT LEAST 67 times THAT WE KNOW OF to date. There may be many others on other forums, in other fandoms, that we haven't discovered yet. She's long since moved on to other fandoms from Bsb, including Supernatural, Twilight, High School Musical... the list goes on.
I think it would be great if you guys spread the word on this girl to other fanfic sites you go to, other forums you post on, Twitter, everywhere! Tanja's pattern is that she waits until she's called out somewhere, and then she disappears for awhile, and then she moves on to another forum or comes back to the SAME forum with a different screen name, and starts the whole plagiarizing process all over again! She never seems to learn. If we could spread the word to places she's been before or places she might go, we could catch her and stop her quicker. And for the love of god, don't inadvertantly support this behavior by befriending her or giving her feedback on stolen work. If you've been duped into doing so, let her know you're onto her and what you think about what she's doing.
If you do spread the word to other sites and forums, let us know which ones so we can see if there's any place we think of that hasn't been covered yet.
Thanks for helping the cause!
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What Julie said! lol.
LD is covered though.
http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=667576
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Holy crap....67 times?!?!?!
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Yep, it's ridiculous right? >:(
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Developing story!! It gets juicier (it always does with Tanja LOL)!!!
I went over to Refresh to start a new thread there and call her out again, which is easier said than done because I want her to know EXACTLY who is calling her out, but my RokofAges75 screen name there is on permanent ban LOL. Still! So I had to get a new one.
Meanwhile, I noticed there is a new Supernatural fanfic board. Since Tanja's into stealing SN fics now, I decided to scope out that board first. There are only a few threads; apparently it's a brand new board. The thread introducing it said something like, "I thought we needed this board, mostly for Jess's stories!" There are no stories by "Jess" there yet, but "Jess" had posted and said, "Maybe they can move my stories over." So I started looking at the other boards. First board I went to was the "Other" category, and right off the bat, I noticed a Twilight fic by "Jess." Put the first line into Google, and sure enough... we have another!!!
So I'm going to be going through Refresh and adding to my list tonight before I call her out there. I'm sure it will be way over 70 by the time I'm done.
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Okay, that search only yielded one result... there must be some Supernatural fics she's plagiarized on there somewhere, but I went through every board and couldn't find anything, unless it dates back older than I thought it would. Still, 68 counts of plagiarism is way more than plenty to warrant a complaint.
I think before I start a thread on Refresh, I'm going to go through the mods first this time... because if I post a link to the full list of stories she's plagiarized, I'll get banned again LOL. And it's pointless without links of evidence showing that she plagiarized. So I'll try the worthless mods first.
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This is the message I'm sending to the mods of the fanfic boards, Playbunny and Brit. I'm making the effort to handle this the mature way first... and if they're as unhelpful as they were last time, then I'll make a big scene and get myself banned yet again. :)
Hello,
My name is Julie. I run a fanfiction website called Dreamer's Sanctuary. In 2006, stories from my website were plagiarized by a girl from Denmark named Tanja Nielsen on a different forum for Busted fanfics. Later that year, Tanja began plagiarizing other stories from a website called Absolute Chaos here on Refresh, in the McFly fanfic forum. Her username at the time was LuckyMe. I believe she has since been banned and most of the threads with plagiarism removed.
I want to inform you that this girl is back and has been plagiarizing stories across several fandoms on your website under a different username, ~ Jess ~. She began almost immediately after being banned under her old name, back in early 2007 I believe, and has been doing it ever since.
With the help of my fandom, I have been tracking her online for several months and have compiled a list of 68 counts of plagiarism this girl has committed over the past 3 years, many of which have taken place on Refresh. This list is complete with links to the threads in which the plagiarism was committed, as well as links to the original stories stolen. The list can be viewed here: http://www.dreamers-sanctuary.com/tanja.html
I ask that you not only ban all of this girl's usernames, but also her IP and email address, so that she cannot simply register again under another name. I also ask that you remove the threads she has started with plagiarized stories, and also make an announcement on the affected forums, explaining to your visitors what happened and why the stories were removed. Your readers deserve to know the truth and should be on the lookout, to prevent this type of incident from occurring again.
I thank you for your cooperation in this serious issue. I expect that, with the detailed evidence I have provided, this matter will be addressed and taken care of in a timely manner. If there's any way I can be of further assistance to you, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Julie Lewis
EDIT: Okay, it won't let me send a message longer than 2000 characters, so I had to edit down a bit.
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I've also emailed fanfiction.net . I'm not sure how much they can do, since as far as we know, she's not plagiarizing on their site, just taking stories from it. But it'd be nice if they could do something to put the word out, since some of their members have been affected.
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Nicely done Julie. I was going to say that fanfict net would be another good place to send the mods an email.
I hope those refresh fools take it seriously this time.
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Hey ladies,
Wow that's a lot of stories!!! I feel weird, because I held a convo with her about her writing. She was supposed to send me a part of her new Supernatural story, and I totally forgot to look for it in my emails. She really has some nerve, if I were doing what she does, I'd be totally embarassed to talk to anyone about my stories. lol!!
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Don't feel bad; no one could be expected to know what she's doing, unless you know who she is. Especially when she's plagiarizing Supernatural fics and just stealing them as is. When she was taking the Bsb fics and changing them to Busted/McFly ones, that was a little more obvious because the changes were so awkward at times... but even then, she duped tons of people on those Busted forums.
When and if she does email you, try Googling the first line or so from her story and see what comes up. Usually you can find the story she plagiarized that way. Let us know if you do so we can add it to the list if it's a new one!
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She's ridiculous. To show up here and actually try to befriend some of us and then act as though she's the victim when she gets caught is really sick. I have some twitter direct messages from here that I'll send over to Julie when I get to a computer.
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What is Busted?
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Awesome, Steph!
Busted is/was a British teeny pop punk boyband, kind of like the Jonas Brothers? They're not together anymore though. I've only heard of them because I asked the same question - WTF is Busted?? - when Tanja started stealing our stories and changing them to Busted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRAD5RR5AA
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So I reported Tanja both to Twitter and the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright. I'm not sure how much will come out of either, but we'll see!
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Those of you with Twitter...
Add #bustTanja to the end of your tweets. I'm trying to start a movement! LOL
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I just messaged somewhere around 30 people from fanfic.net, fictionpress, and similar sites who had been plagiarized by Tanja to spread the word about the new movement. Silly Tanja... apparently she didn't realize that by stealing from so many DIFFERENT writers and fandoms, she would get exponentially more people pissed at her than just stealing from by website LOL.
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I emailed Twitter to complain, and they got back to me. If I can get permission from the author of the Supernatural fic she stole (and I already emailed him/her, just waiting on a reply), I can mail or fax an official complaint to them with proof of the plagiarism (like we did with Refresh), and they might be able to suspend her account. I'm totally willing to do it if I hear back from the author.
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Haha score! Hopefully the author replies back soon.
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That kicks ass, Julie!
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Heard back from the Supernatural girl (assuming she's a girl)! She was very grateful I let her know and said she was kind of entertained by it, cause it's never happened to her before. She send a follow request to Tanja. I asked her about pursuing the complaint with Twitter, so we'll see what she says back.
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LMFAO I just popped over to Refresh... I messaged two of their mods YESTERDAY about this, and of course I've gotten no reply back. Big surprise!
Meanwhile, like I said, I've been messaging all these authors whose work is on my list, and so naturally, some of them have joined Refresh to complain. The mods are just gonna LOVE waking up to messages like this!!
Okay... so I've been informed that you've been stealing stories and it's come to my attention that you've stolen mine. Yeah, I wrote this under the HSM fandom with Troy and Gabriella, and I swear to ****ing god if you don't stop... there will be hell to pay. You're a ****ing bitch because you've stolen 68 stories from people. You think this is funny? I worked my ass off to write this and you're ****ing taking credit for it. Stop or there will be hell to pay... you hear me? I've delt with this for too ****ing long so go to hell.
And if you want the link to the real story as proof:
Can't Just Be Friends, a High School Musical fanfic - FanFiction.Net
Take it down and write your own goddamn work
BAN! LOL I hope at least a few of the Refresh teenies see that before it gets censored all to hell.
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LMAO!!
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LMFAO! That's awesome. Tanja doesn't know what she started.
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Oh dear Lord... again? Really? Honestly, what do you get out of plagiarizing? Copying off someone on a test, sure. You can get a better grade out of it. Not saying it's okay, but at least there's a reason to do it.
What do you get out of plagiarizing? Dumb.
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btw, is it possible that she's taking original fics as well?
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Totally is, I think we've traced one of "her" stories to an original fic on fiction press.
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Wow. I thought orig. fics would be too difficult to track.
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It all just depends on what good old Google will find. Original fics can be as easy as fanfics if they're posted somewhere like FictionPress.
Btw, I just spent a good hour or two adding to my little site LOL. http://www.dreamers-sanctuary.com/tanja.html I think I've added all your names to the supporter list, but let me know if I missed anybody.
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OMG that's just awful! I can't believe people actually have the nerve to steal someone else's hard work and try to pass it off as their own! Well done on catching her out though, I wonder if she's stolen anything of mine, will have to try and find out.
She added me on Twitter, I just accepted because I noticed she was a BSB fan. I'll be more careful who I add in future.
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OK, she's off Twitter now :) I noticed her profile has disappeared. How can I find out if she nicked any of my stories though? I highly doubt she did, but I'd be pissed off to find out otherwise.
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I just left you the list on Twitter :)
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OMG that's just awful! I can't believe people actually have the nerve to steal someone else's hard work and try to pass it off as their own! Well done on catching her out though, I wonder if she's stolen anything of mine, will have to try and find out.
She added me on Twitter, I just accepted because I noticed she was a BSB fan. I'll be more careful who I add in future.
LOL I was following her too, but more in case she did anything like this. We knew who she was, but kept silent about it because we were waiting for her to dig her own grave before we buried her. Otherwise we would have said something. But you couldn't have known just based on what she had posted on Twitter, so don't feel bad.
Hope you saw the website by now - http://www.dreamers-sanctuary.com/tanja.html. Can I add your name to the list of supporters at the bottom?
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So I wonder if she just deleted her profile and got a new one LOL. That sounds like Tanja!
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So I got a response back from Playbunny, one of the mods on Refresh:
Hey.
Sorry for my late response.
In regards to Jess,we were told a while ago that she had stolen fics,i thought i had removed them all,so i apologise,that was my mistake.
She has not been back since she got discovered but i will delete her account anyway.
All i can ask is that if you do discover any threads or posts i have missed can you please direct me to them and ask any members or friends of yours that have joined here not to post links please.
Again all i can do is apologise.
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Apparently she finds her own site even more user unfriendly than I do, because she deleted one thread - the one with the cuss-filled post I shared yesterday, hehe - but not the one that was right below it. DER! Oh well. I don't care so much about the threads being taken down... I just want someone in authority on that site to make a statement and let their dumbass members know the truth!!
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So I wrote this response back to her:
Hi,
Thank you for deleting Jess's account and removing some of the threads.
What you don't seem to get - and maybe I didn't explain it well enough, so if that's the case, I apologize - is that this Jess is the same person as LuckyMe, who had a big problem with plagiarism here back in 2006. A friend of mine had to physically mail a packet of proof from Canada to Jonathan in England to get him to remove the threads with plagiarized stories then, so I really appreciate you being more helpful.
I feel strongly that the users on this site deserve the truth about this girl, Tanja (a.k.a. LuckyMe, a.k.a. Jess). They have been duped by her. Some of them think they are her friends; others have enjoyed reading what they believed to be her stories. Some of them seem to be aware that Jess was banned for plagiarism, but none of this has been confirmed by anyone in authority on your website. I think you need to post an official statement, warning your users about this thief, not only to make an example out of a known plagiarizer, but to set the record straight on behalf of all the people Tanja has cheated by stealing stories and claiming them as her own.
You already have a platform to do this in the "PLEASE READ" thread you have stickied. It would be very easy for you to simply add another post to that thread, explaining what happened with LuckyMe and Jess. That way, your members can be on the lookout for future incidences of plagiarism by her or other members. Also, it will keep the victims of this plagiarism - the authors whose work was stolen - from feeling the need to come and add their own two cents. They are doing this because if they don't, there is no one to tell the truth. You can be that voice, and do it the way you'd like, calmly and professionally .
Thanks so much for your support and cooperation!
~Julie
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It appears she's now removed the other thread too... guess I caught her in the process of doing so.
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Glad you got her removed from there. I checked the members on my site, but she doesn't appear to have joined it, thank god!
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Very nice letter Julie. I hope they go ahead and do that.
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Progress!
Playbunny replied and asked how we knew it was the same girl, so I explained and gave her the link to the site again.
This is what she sent back!
Wow this girl is sad.
Ok thanks for the info,ill try and update the sticky tonight,if not it will be tomorrow.
In the meantime like i said if you find anymore threads of hers on here pass them to me,iv searched for them but tbh the system here is sh*t and now iv deleted her account,its alot harder.
Also please explain to your friends that their posts are gone as they were part of the threads iv deleted not because they were voicing their opinions.
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We've made some progress with helps_btv too.
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Omg, you guys are not going to believe this! Especially Julilly!!
Playbunny PMed me again on Refresh and tipped me off to this little tidbit we never realized! In one of the original threads we started over there, back in November 2006, bitching about Tanja plagiarizing as LuckyMe... Tanja came in and replied as JESS, several times!!! We had no idea it was her at the time, but that little bitch was sitting around just playing along with us the whole time!
http://www.refresh.com/teen-chat/mcfly-fanfic/37005-plagiarism-second-time-5.html
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So, I was thinking (and sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but...), you know how on certain websites, when you scroll over something and try to copy the text or the picture or whatever, it won't let you?
Is there some kind of way to incorporate that feature into the AC site so that trying to plagiarize the stories would be harder? Or, do you even get what I'm talking about? lol.
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We've made some progress with helps_btv too.
how so? Does she finally believe us?
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Wow, i'm actually impressed by Miss Bunny lol I'm glad their finally taking things seriously there.
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I love how she kept menitoning the lawsuit would scare Tanja lol She was probably pooping in her pants. What a tool! Tanja if you're reading this, you're a tool.
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So, I was thinking (and sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but...), you know how on certain websites, when you scroll over something and try to copy the text or the picture or whatever, it won't let you?
Is there some kind of way to incorporate that feature into the AC site so that trying to plagiarize the stories would be harder? Or, do you even get what I'm talking about? lol.
I know what you're talking about and even if we did that, people like Tanja would still find a way to copy our stuff. Now, if we could also add mild electrocution to the mix...
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What I did on my site was to make the fanfics section a members only place. A few of the members on there came to me and asked if I'd do that as they were worried about their stories being copied, etc. I know that wouldn't really be possible here, but could her IP be banned? That would stop her getting onto the site.
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how so? Does she finally believe us?
LMFAO omg, that's a whole nother story.
This girl is telling me on Twitter that Tanja says the plagiarizing was done from her accounts... she'll admit that... but someone ELSE was doing it under her accounts. She was framed!! Oh noes!! LMFAO
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I love how she kept menitoning the lawsuit would scare Tanja lol She was probably pooping in her pants. What a tool! Tanja if you're reading this, you're a tool.
LMAO!!!
It's so true...
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I know what you're talking about and even if we did that, people like Tanja would still find a way to copy our stuff. Now, if we could also add mild electrocution to the mix...
That certainly makes it more of a hassle, but it's still possible to get around if you now how to get into the HTML source and whatnot.
Besides, I think Tanja has moved on from Bsb fics. She doesn't wanna mess with us anymore! She's going to find that she doesn't want to mess with the Supernatural writers either though... apparently they're giving her shit now too LOL. But she hasn't taken a Bsb fic - that we know of - since we kicked her off Refresh the first time. Since then, it's been Supernatural, Twilight, HSM, that kind of thing.
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LMFAO omg, that's a whole nother story.
This girl is telling me on Twitter that Tanja says the plagiarizing was done from her accounts... she'll admit that... but someone ELSE was doing it under her accounts. She was framed!! Oh noes!! LMFAO
lmao why is that always the next logical progression for liars? The whole, someone else took over my accounts and posted it, defense! LOL
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Wow, i'm actually impressed by Miss Bunny lol I'm glad their finally taking things seriously there.
Go Miss Bunny! She actually posted something on the sticky like I asked her to, acknowledging that in fact, YES, LuckyMe and ~Jess~ ARE the same people, and they ARE plagiarizers! Hallelujah, justice at last!
http://www.refresh.com/teen-chat/supernatural-fanfic/44227-please-read.html
Now WHY she couldn't have done that three years ago, I'm not sure. I guess it pays to be nice... I wasn't in as much of a rage this time as I was last time, especially with all their Nazi tactics, and so I guess she actually deemed me worth listening to this time.
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Does she realize you are the same person as before? Or are you posing? lol
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That's awesome! Good for Refresh!
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Does she realize you are the same person as before? Or are you posing? lol
No, she knows LOL. I wasn't sure, but when she told me about that other thread where Tanja came in as Jess, she called it "your thread from before." And sure enough, I was the one who started it, as RokofAges. I'm on there as DSanctuary now because my RokofAges sn is still banned, but I made it obvious who I am, my website, etc.
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So, I was thinking (and sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but...), you know how on certain websites, when you scroll over something and try to copy the text or the picture or whatever, it won't let you?
Is there some kind of way to incorporate that feature into the AC site so that trying to plagiarize the stories would be harder? Or, do you even get what I'm talking about? lol.
I could certainly look into doing something like that, though as someone else mentioned I think she's finished copying BSB stuff (though she *did* play with fire by coming here, so I'm thinking she probably likes the attention enough that she may end up coming back here again in another incarnation (if she's not already here...:shiftyeyes:)
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Omg, you guys are not going to believe this! Especially Julilly!!
Playbunny PMed me again on Refresh and tipped me off to this little tidbit we never realized! In one of the original threads we started over there, back in November 2006, bitching about Tanja plagiarizing as LuckyMe... Tanja came in and replied as JESS, several times!!! We had no idea it was her at the time, but that little bitch was sitting around just playing along with us the whole time!
http://www.refresh.com/teen-chat/mcfly-fanfic/37005-plagiarism-second-time-5.html
Oh if only they allowed me to have weapons...
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Huh. That makes me wonder if any of the other people there were also "Tanja"/"Jess". Probably she was her own "fans" writing comments on her stolen fics. And maybe the incredibly unsympathetic Mod who kept closing and deleting the threads. lol. Eek. Boggles the mind.
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I'm surprised they don't have a way to see that she had matching IPs
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It seemed like they didn't really cared at the time. Maybe now they'll pay more attention.
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Captain Obvious here, but their site doesn't seem to be the most well run. Playbunny said, "The reason i couldnt do this 3 years ago was i was just a mod,i didnt have the power,i know have admin rights so its easier for me to deal with this than go through "the powers that be"
It sounds like their mods are kind of clueless...
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Okay, who changed Tanja's location to "professional plagiarist"? LMFAO!!! That gave me quite the laugh at 2 a.m., thank you! ;D
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I do not know what you speak of? *smiles innocently* I changed that location long before we called her out. lol
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LMAO I guess I hadn't looked her up!
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yowza that's a lot of free time this chick has got. i feel sorry for her. if she's done it 67 times, she's using different IPs guys. just a heads up. like the computers on school for example. different IPs. computer cafes, etc. she's going to keep doing it. this is just crazy crazy.
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^ You would think she was using different IPs, but she really did plagiarize 68 times over like only four accounts... one on the original Busted forum we found her on... two on Refresh... and one on Twitter. She had one here too, but she bailed before she got too far with the plagiarism. The only reason she changed her account on Refresh was because they banned her first account... but they must have only banned the username, not the IP address, because she got a new account right away and kept at it, and no one knew.
The good news is, she's in Denmark, and her new trick is to lie about where she's from - she'll say she's from England or Holland or wherever - but her IP, even if it does change like you said, traces back to Denmark, so that's a pretty good giveaway.
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This is all too weird. She's going to keep doing this. It isn't like its happened once or twice. She believes she can do this and she won't pay. Really, is there anything more sad? I saw her facebook. Private. Go figure. But she used her real name when I googled it. Point is, there's really no way to stop her if she's using different IPs. But its doable. The lawsuit seemed to scare her. Keep pushing that. All the authors should ban together and defame her at any cost. She clearly thinks she can get away with this, but you guys are on the right track. Best of luck to you and I wanna be on that list as well. I still can't believe all the stories, my god...
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She's not using different IPs. That's one reason it's been so easy to walk in her cyber footsteps. She's not that smart to think to move her computer somewhere else.
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I'll add you to the list, Mariah, thanks! :)
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How do you know shes not? Just asking as its so hard to track and stop her. She has to be doing this in clever ways. Thanks Julie! ;D
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Up until this point she's been fairly obvious about it. Now that we've caught her so many times, she might have learned. She at least stopped using Bsb fanfics... maybe next time she'll think about changing her username too. The thing is, even if she makes it harder for us to trace her, as long as she keeps copy/pasting other people's stories on public forums or websites, she's bound to get caught eventually. Someone is going to come along who will recognize a story she's stolen and let the author know, or the author will Google and find it. She can only get away with plagiarism for so long, and the more she does it, and the more word gets out and people turn against her, the harder time she's going to have finding places where she can get away with it.
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Lets hope that's the case and she's changed. Its just downright disgusting behavior.
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I don't think she's ever going to change. I just think she's going to eventually run out of options.
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I know for a fact she sent a few people a story through PMs on another forum - http://forums.buddytv.com/ - but since that's private, there's no way to find out what she sent. I'm sure it was something she stole, but the people who post on that forum are the same people who defended her on Twitter, so it's not like asking them would do any good. They think her evil twin from a parallel universe plagiarized under name. *head desk*
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Yup, I think that's how she'll just always end up doing her thing. She'll wait until everyone thinks she's gone and then she'll pop up on another forum. I think she knows to stay away from ours now though! lol
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Sad sad sad I say!
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does she actually have anything real? Anything that she actually wrote and didn't steal? I'd be very curious to see what her writing is like. Do you think she's learned anything from all the wonderful stories she's copied over the years?
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Not that I know of.
And honestly, just from reading her posts on forums and Twitter and stuff, I can't imagine she would be that bad of a writer if she gave it a shot. Her English isn't bad, for someone who doesn't speak it as a first language, and it's not like she can't structure a coherent thought. And if you can come up with a story and tell it coherently, you can write! It's sad that she puts so much effort into stealing other people's stories when, if she'd actually been trying to write her own for the past three years, she would probably be a pretty decent writer by now.
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She's on facebook a lot I see.
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Oh yeah? Do you have her friended?
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Yeah, she added me a long time ago actually. I had no idea who she was. I know what she looks like now. She's in her 30s but looks younger. 34 I think.
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Hm... if that's the same person, she's been lying about her age too then. Her profiles everywhere else say she's in her 20s.
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I actually thought she was a teenager lol