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 on: July 29, 2021, 10:10:57 PM 
Started by nicksgal - Last post by RokofAges75
I'm not sure whether to post this in this thread, the reading thread, or the TV thread because it could fit in any of the above, but since it's writing-related, I'll stick it here.  I watched an interesting documentary on Hulu called "Naughty Books."  It was about erotic fiction writers.  Although I've never really read or written that genre, I enjoyed the documentary.  It interviewed several authors who had success with self-publishing.  Some of them said they'd sold millions of books and made a ton of money!  But just when I was thinking, "Wow, maybe self-publishing is the way to go," it turned and started exploring the downsides.  The authors said the market had become so saturated with erotic fiction since the success of 50 Shades of Gray, they felt pressured to keep putting out books so their readers didn't forget about them.  One writer, who had started out writing YA fiction before experimenting with erotica, complained about feeling like she had to follow a certain formula to find success in the genre.  She said readers don't want an intricate plot with twists and turns that make them think; they just care about the sex scenes.  But another writer managed to get herself a book deal with a real publisher based on her success with self-publishing, and she talked about the pros and cons of that.  I would recommend the documentary for those interested in learning more about the experience of being a published author, even if erotic romance is not your thing.

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 on: July 29, 2021, 02:26:07 AM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by RokofAges75
Oh yes... Five Nights at Freddy's!  I haven't heard about that one in a few years, but my students used to be obsessed.  I get it; I always liked the dark stuff, too.  I grew up watching horror movies and reading R.L. Stine books.  Goosebumps is pretty tame, but I had moved on to the Fear Street books by 5th grade, and those are full of blood, gore, violence, and murder.  I found Lurlene McDaniel's books much scarier though LOL.  I was the kid who lay awake worrying about cancer and diabetes, not ghost and monsters.  Not every kid can handle the dark stuff, but I'm glad there is material out there for the ones who love it.

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 on: July 29, 2021, 01:57:19 AM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by mare
One of the very first things I did here was get a library card, although because of COVID, I have yet to physically go to one. I enjoy buying books and displaying them on my bookshelves and also being able to share them with people which is one of the reasons why I stopped using my Nook. I just enjoy the feel of a book in my hands and knowing I can pass it off to someone else to borrow after talking about it incessantly lol

I have always been a kind of fast reader but since Iíve been Ďretiredí Iíve gotten even faster.

Both of those books sound pretty dark but those tweens overall have gotten pretty dark themselves. I was kind of amazed at how many of my students from fourth grade up used to play that Freddy something or other video game. Do you guys know what Iím talking about?

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 on: July 28, 2021, 11:41:26 PM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by RokofAges75
I bet if you googled the title and "chapter summary," you could get the rest. That's what I did for the robot book once I figured out its title, lol.

I tried this and still didn't find a spoiler for the ending, but the reviews on its GoodReads page are terrible, which reminds me why I quit reading it in the first place.


The robot accidentally caused a rock slide that killed a colony of geese by crushing them. (among other things) The carnage! So a sci-fi thriller zombie book for middle grades? Perfect. Probably not great to read during a pandemic though, lol.

OMG!  Poor geese. Sad

No zombies in Fuzzy Mud; it's much more realistic, which makes it scarier.  A couple of the kids go blind!  It has a happy ending, but the path to get there is pretty dark.  Definitely not the kind of book to read during a pandemic, as the whole town gets quarantined during the end.  I enjoyed reading it myself though!

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 on: July 28, 2021, 11:29:55 PM 
Started by nicksgal - Last post by RokofAges75
I guess it's possible to consider each chapter in a novel as a short story, but that that just makes it feel really convoluted. But you're right, every novel starts because a character wants something, but something happens to keep them from getting it. I do think sometimes I fall into an "and then" within a chapter, but between each chapter is typically a "but" or a "therefore." But... (lol) I think this is something to look at during editing. It was interesting, it said it premiered a while ago, so I wonder if there's a way to find the whole episode.

I didn't mean use "Somebody wanted but so then" for each chapter because, yeah, that would be a lot.  But it has that same idea that every scene should connect and move the story forward.  In a novel, the structure would be more like, "Somebody... wanted... but... so... but... so... but... so..." LOL.

I'll have to look and see if I can find the full thing.  Oh, speaking of Matt and Trey, I saw an article today about them trying to buy Casa Bonita so they can reopen it!  https://www.denverpost.com/2021/07/28/south-park-casa-bonita-denver-sale/  If this happens, I will definitely have to visit Denver!


I do have all of this, I think I just made the mistake of writing in order when Brian's early arc was less interesting. (Sorry Brian.) It gets better later on, it's just not punchy from the beginning because he has this perfectly normal motivation in the beginning of the story. I think I made Brian too realistic in a story about subverting stereotypes, lol!

I guess I should figure out who's "I want" is the strongest besides Nick's "I want to be a minor character" (or we could call it Nick's "I absolutely do not want," lol) and write that part next. Or just skip ahead to the parts that should be more interesting and circle back instead of focusing on the beginning chapters. I don't know if it really matters if I'm holding on to it until I have some kind of backlog for it anyway.

I updated my word count spreadsheet today since I cracked 1000 words in a day again and I have written my word count goal for this month, just not in this story. My output for it and PDemons is about equal, but I've spent 20 less days trying to write something for PDemons. Is this WADD? I can't tell? lol

Edited to Add:
I finished another chapter of PDemons today. Maybe I am WADDing...

LOL Sounds like WADD to me, but at least you're being productive.  Congrats on making your word count goal!  I say write what you want to write, whether it's PDemons or skipping around in the other story.  It will all come together eventually.


Of course Nick got dragged into the drama because he can't just sit still when drama is around, lol! Do you feel like most of your stories switch to character-driven after the inciting incident and/or turning point? Or are there any that feel like they stay fairly plot-driven?

He's gotta get his POV in there!  He has to at least be co-main character LOL.

I think I've got a mix of both.  My medical dramas and romances are more character-driven, but then I have stories like Bethlehem that are more plot-driven.


LMFAO! But what did she say?! Did she tell you to keep it?!

I actually don't remember LOL.  Do you remember, Rose?  I had no intention of keeping it in there, regardless of what she said.

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 on: July 28, 2021, 09:00:25 PM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by nicksgal
I decided I didn't care enough about it to care about being spoiled, so I did look it up on Wikipedia, but the plot summary was just the same synopsis as on Amazon, which doesn't give away the ending.  So I guess I'll never know how it ends, unless I decide to finish reading it someday.  We'll see.

I bet if you googled the title and "chapter summary," you could get the rest. That's what I did for the robot book once I figured out its title, lol.


Wow, robots and dead animals?  That does sound dark for a children's book, but some of them are.  I read a Louis Sachar book called "Fuzzy Mud" this past year that was pretty unsettling for a middle grade novel.  It was about an outbreak of microorganisms that cause horrible side effects when they come into contact with humans.  Great sci-fi thriller for middle grades.

The robot accidentally caused a rock slide that killed a colony of geese by crushing them. (among other things) The carnage! So a sci-fi thriller zombie book for middle grades? Perfect. Probably not great to read during a pandemic though, lol.


Yeah, for the most part.  I should use the library more.  I like to collect them, though, and reread the good ones.  How long it takes me to read varies depending on the book and how much time I have.  I can get through a page-turner in a few days; I read the entire last Harry Potter book the day it came out.  But if it doesn't hold my attention, it can take me months to get through a book.

I was trying to decide if it was worth it to just buy books or to try and wait for them at the library... I guess it depends on how new the books are, probably... If they're older, they're probably not too bad to get, but if they're newer, it would probably just be faster to buy them and see what happened. And hey, if I didn't like it, then I could donate it to the library for all those people waiting to read it.

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 on: July 28, 2021, 08:55:23 PM 
Started by mare - Last post by nicksgal
I have completely run out of patience when it comes to vaccine hesitancy. I understood at the very beginning because none of us knew what to expect, but now thereís no reason for it! Iím so tired of seeing news stories of jackasses who thought the whole COVID thing was a hoax and just before theyíre put on respirators they ask the doctor for a shot. Ugh!!

They donít get that theyíre the reason this virus isnít going away.

Pretty sure they're right that the vaccine won't do anything... if you wait until you're on a respirator to get it, lol.

That article was cute. Somehow I do see Howie always giving AJ coal. I don't know why.

It's because AJ's always been "dis[ing] him like that." lol How dare AJ remind him that he can cook for himself! Coal forever!

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 on: July 28, 2021, 08:52:27 PM 
Started by nicksgal - Last post by nicksgal
I had never thought of it that way before either, but it does make sense.  It goes with the "Somebody... wanted... but... so... then" method I teach my students to help them make sure they have a coherent plot for their short stories.  "So" would also work in place of "therefore."  The video's only a couple minutes long, so it's a quick watch.  I wish it was longer; I would love to hear their whole talk!  I think they are creative geniuses.

I guess it's possible to consider each chapter in a novel as a short story, but that that just makes it feel really convoluted. But you're right, every novel starts because a character wants something, but something happens to keep them from getting it. I do think sometimes I fall into an "and then" within a chapter, but between each chapter is typically a "but" or a "therefore." But... (lol) I think this is something to look at during editing. It was interesting, it said it premiered a while ago, so I wonder if there's a way to find the whole episode.


You know Nick's motivation in the story, so if you haven't already, maybe you need to take some time to think about the other guys' motivation as well.  What do they want, and what gets in their way?  How does taking on Nick's typical story roles affect them?

I do have all of this, I think I just made the mistake of writing in order when Brian's early arc was less interesting. (Sorry Brian.) It gets better later on, it's just not punchy from the beginning because he has this perfectly normal motivation in the beginning of the story. I think I made Brian too realistic in a story about subverting stereotypes, lol!

I guess I should figure out who's "I want" is the strongest besides Nick's "I want to be a minor character" (or we could call it Nick's "I absolutely do not want," lol) and write that part next. Or just skip ahead to the parts that should be more interesting and circle back instead of focusing on the beginning chapters. I don't know if it really matters if I'm holding on to it until I have some kind of backlog for it anyway.

I updated my word count spreadsheet today since I cracked 1000 words in a day again and I have written my word count goal for this month, just not in this story. My output for it and PDemons is about equal, but I've spent 20 less days trying to write something for PDemons. Is this WADD? I can't tell? lol

Edited to Add:
I finished another chapter of PDemons today. Maybe I am WADDing...


In my stories, Howie and Kevin had the more interesting storylines from the beginning, and Nick just got dragged into their drama.  Both of those stories started out more plot-driven, with Howie/Kevin being dealt a crappy hand within the first few chapters, and then became more character-driven as the rest of the story focused more on how they reacted to it and how it changed them.

Of course Nick got dragged into the drama because he can't just sit still when drama is around, lol! Do you feel like most of your stories switch to character-driven after the inciting incident and/or turning point? Or are there any that feel like they stay fairly plot-driven?


That makes sense.  I don't really do that; I've never really enjoyed writing prompts or exercises, which I guess is why I end up posting whatever I finish.  Even if it's silly, it's still a complete story, and if I'm entertained by it, I figure someone else might too.  If I wrote more things like the six-word stories or bonus scenes I have no intention of putting in a story, I would keep those to myself too.  I did once write an uncharacterist ically graphic Brian sex scene into a chapter of Undead just to see how Rose would react LOL; I had no intention of keeping it in the story, but I do still have that saved somewhere for my own amusement.

I really only look for them if I have a "I want to write, but what" moment. And as I've mentioned, this doesn't work well for my plantsing self for a full story, but it's usually good enough for a little sandbox moment.

These six word stories are hard since each word does count, literally, lol.

LMFAO! But what did she say?! Did she tell you to keep it?!

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 on: July 28, 2021, 08:07:45 PM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by RokofAges75
I wasnít a huge fan of IT either. In general I tend to love his non horror stories over the flat out horror ones. 11/22/63 is my favorite one of his.

11/22/63 is probably my favorite too!  It's hard to pick though.  The Stand, Misery, and 'Salem's Lot are all up there as well.


Depends on how much you'd be sad if you were spoiled? lol

I did this recently with an Audio book that the teacher I was subbing for in our Summer Camp played while he was driving and only because it was a children's book with something like "The robot eyed the carnage... blah blah blah" as one of the lines, and obviously, if this audio book is missing the last disc of chapters, I needed to find out what happened to this robot (but not enough to buy it and read it, obviously, lol). I think there was a part later on that talked about what animals looked like frozen in snow and a predator describing eating prey... it was delightfully dark for a middle grade story, lol.


I decided I didn't care enough about it to care about being spoiled, so I did look it up on Wikipedia, but the plot summary was just the same synopsis as on Amazon, which doesn't give away the ending.  So I guess I'll never know how it ends, unless I decide to finish reading it someday.  We'll see.

Wow, robots and dead animals?  That does sound dark for a children's book, but some of them are.  I read a Louis Sachar book called "Fuzzy Mud" this past year that was pretty unsettling for a middle grade novel.  It was about an outbreak of microorganisms that cause horrible side effects when they come into contact with humans.  Great sci-fi thriller for middle grades.


Do you buy all your books too, Julie? And how long does it typically take you to read?

Yeah, for the most part.  I should use the library more.  I like to collect them, though, and reread the good ones.  How long it takes me to read varies depending on the book and how much time I have.  I can get through a page-turner in a few days; I read the entire last Harry Potter book the day it came out.  But if it doesn't hold my attention, it can take me months to get through a book.

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 on: July 28, 2021, 07:15:24 PM 
Started by Carter-Orange - Last post by nicksgal
Would it be bad to read the Wikipedia synopsis to find out how it ended before I decide whether it's worth going back to?

Depends on how much you'd be sad if you were spoiled? lol

I did this recently with an Audio book that the teacher I was subbing for in our Summer Camp played while he was driving and only because it was a children's book with something like "The robot eyed the carnage... blah blah blah" as one of the lines, and obviously, if this audio book is missing the last disc of chapters, I needed to find out what happened to this robot (but not enough to buy it and read it, obviously, lol). I think there was a part later on that talked about what animals looked like frozen in snow and a predator describing eating prey... it was delightfully dark for a middle grade story, lol.

And wow, Mare, 10 books at a time and it usually only takes you a couple of weeks per book at most! You're a speed reader!

Do you buy all your books too, Julie? And how long does it typically take you to read?

Books I hated that other people love? The only one I can think of right now is Twilight. I think I've gone on my soap box about how Bella feels like a reader insert character, but I did read the entire series hoping it would get better. I think the issue was that it missed so many of the typical fantasy novel beats in its structure. And sure, it could be argued that it's not really fantasy, it's romance... but it missed most of those too! Like the first two books had the right arc if you read them together, but then why chop a story in half if it shouldn't be cut in half? I could go on for days...

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