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nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 12:30:30 AM ---LOL! Your friend sounds like me. Cancer is always a possibility when you Google symptoms! I don't think bone cancer is as common in ribs as it is in limbs. I doubt it would start in the ribs, but it could probably spread there from other places. Rib choppage, oh noes! LMAO I love that you said that out loud!
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That was what I said, it can probably spread there, but probably doesn't start there. Also if you fell while ice skating and they didn't hurt before that, it's probably not cancer. I'd assume. I loved it and hated it, because it was a perfect time to say it, but for them it's noodle incident and not the perfect joke at the perfect time, haha.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 12:30:30 AM ---Yep, absolutely! I read the article about MPDG on TV Tropes, and it said it's mainly if the girl only exists to make the brooding protagonist happy and has no personal life goals herself. In Broken, Claire pretty much did just exist to support brooding Nick, but when she got promoted to main character status in BMS, she had her own goals, especially after she broke up with Nick - but that's when some of my readers stopped liking her. So maybe she was better off as a MPDG LOL.
Fanfic is a little different, though, because most readers just want to read about the Boys and don't care about original characters, especially when they're not interacting with one of the Boys. From a reader's perspective, I get it. Even in stories where I really like the original female lead, I still prefer reading scenes with a BSB in them to scenes that are just about her.
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So rude of Claire to break up with Nick in his story! How dare she get character development! Just kidding! I say a character that grows is always better than a character who doesn't and it was better for Claire to have her own goals besides supporting brooding Nick.
Also true, we're all here reading and writing fanfic to care about the Boys in the story, but some stories just need other characters too. I almost think that's why the other characters need to be more interesting and not flat support characters if they're there. But I get that "when can we get back to the Boys" feeling too.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 12:30:30 AM ---I think the idea that Mary Sue is this unrealisticall y perfect female character who is adored by all the other characters is universal across fandoms, but each fandom has its own specific Mary Sue tropes. In the BSB fandom, Mary Sue often has musical talent so she can become the opening act or backup dancer or band member, whereas in fantasy fandoms, she would have unique powers and be some kind of Chosen One.
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You're right on all of that, especially if she's a chosen one when there's already a chosen one in the source material.
I never stumbled on any, but now I'm wondering if there were ever any "sixth Backstreet Boy" Gary Stu stories. That would have been an adventure to read.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on January 31, 2021, 12:49:10 AM ---Also true, we're all here reading and writing fanfic to care about the Boys in the story, but some stories just need other characters too. I almost think that's why the other characters need to be more interesting and not flat support characters if they're there. But I get that "when can we get back to the Boys" feeling too.
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It wasn't until I tried writing a slash that I realized that may be one reason why slash is popular - it lets you read/write romance without original characters, thus making it totally BSB-centered. (I agree that some stories do need original characters, though.)
--- Quote from: nicksgal on January 31, 2021, 12:49:10 AM ---I never stumbled on any, but now I'm wondering if there were ever any "sixth Backstreet Boy" Gary Stu stories. That would have been an adventure to read.
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LOL! I can't think of any offhand either. I read some suspense stories back in the day where there was a guy trying to take out one of the Boys so he could replace him in the group, but those characters were villains, not Gary Stus.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 12:59:52 AM ---It wasn't until I tried writing a slash that I realized that may be one reason why slash is popular - it lets you read/write romance without original characters, thus making it totally BSB-centered. (I agree that some stories do need original characters, though.)
LOL! I can't think of any offhand either. I read some suspense stories back in the day where there was a guy trying to take out one of the Boys so he could replace him in the group, but those characters were villains, not Gary Stus.
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That's definitely one of the reasons! When I was younger, I felt like I always had a hard time not adding original characters unless it was a shorter story. I fall victim so often to the "must have loads and loads of characters" plan for stories. I think that Nick is Brian's guardian angel story would be best as an all Boy one though. I might have a loophole idea that I'll need to pick your brain on later. I'll just do it now while I'm thinking about it.
I read a few of those too! I always wondered why the other guys would be like, "Oh, you killed our friend, yup, come join the band!" Like it's the secret entrance ticket or something...
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on January 31, 2021, 01:11:31 AM ---I might have a loophole idea that I'll need to pick your brain on later. I'll just do it now while I'm thinking about it.
I read a few of those too! I always wondered why the other guys would be like, "Oh, you killed our friend, yup, come join the band!" Like it's the secret entrance ticket or something...
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Pick away!
LOL! Well, in the ones I read, they didn't make it that obvious. The one I remember best was "Trapped" by Jenna, where the guy's sister (who was a doctor) made Brian crash his car and then kept him sedated with drugs and convinced the other guys he had severe brain damage so they would need to replace him. Then she suggested her brother as the replacement.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 01:19:34 AM ---Pick away!
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Did and did. Can't give away my ideas to too many people, you know. ;)
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on January 31, 2021, 01:19:34 AM ---LOL! Well, in the ones I read, they didn't make it that obvious. The one I remember best was "Trapped" by Jenna, where the guy's sister (who was a doctor) made Brian crash his car and then kept him sedated with drugs and convinced the other guys he had severe brain damage so they would need to replace him. Then she suggested her brother as the replacement.
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"Since Brian has severe brain damage and you can't possibly go on with only four of you, my brother sings and dances." haha!
The heyday of fanfic was something else. Does it still get busier when the guys get busier or is it just increasingly quiet? I wonder if that happens to other fandoms. Like, do Harry Potter fanfic writers just stop writing fanfic now that it's been finished for however many years?
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