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FrickingKaos:
In response to the question about Disney, my favorite ride is Haunted Mansion although the Voyage of The Little Mermaid is a close second. I didn't get to ride a lot of the rides but I did meet lots of the characters which was fun too. I wish I'd gotten a picture with Buzz or Woody like Nick and Brian did in Finding Carter lol.
Speaking of that story that's another fun fact, Nick calls Brian Woody cause he's so country in that story. Brian calls Nick Buzz cause he likes outer space lol.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on March 07, 2021, 01:11:46 PM ---That's true, you did spend so much time writing Broken/BMS that by the end of it, it wasn't "real time" and Nick was able to grow as a person during that time period and provide some new/different aspects of himself for the next story. It's good that Broken Nick was emo and not ghetto fab, haha.
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LOL I started that story at just the right time, between super hot Now or Never Nick and the ghetto fab phase. He was too busy barfing his guts out and getting his leg chopped off to get his nipples pierced and start hanging out with Tommy Lee. Too bad, Nick! But yes, that took him on a different path that also did not include abusing drugs or dating Paris Hilton, so he was better for it.
--- Quote from: nicksgal on March 07, 2021, 01:11:46 PM ---I think the situation makes a big difference on what characteristic s get played up. Obviously Nicks in stressful situations will do different things than Nicks in day-to-day whatevering.
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Yep, I agree. And when you put him into a situation he's never actually been in before in real life, like getting attacked by a bear or being a demon, all you can do is use his real life character traits to guess at what he would do in that situation. And because he's a real person with a lot of different sides to his personality, you can make him react a lot of different possible ways and still make it seem realistic. That's the fun of writing fanfic!
--- Quote from: nicksgal on March 07, 2021, 01:11:46 PM ---This might be the follow-up question to that. What has to be there for it to feel like each of the Boys. Like if something isn't there, do they just feel off? Whether that's a big thing or a little thing?
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I almost asked this follow-up last night and then decided to wait and see if someone else thought of it too. So I'm glad you did!
For Nick, I think he needs to be charismatic, playful, and have strong emotional reactions, whether he's cracking up laughing, flying into a temper, or breaking down into tears.
For Brian, I think it's his sense of humor, his faith, and his devotion to his family.
For AJ, I think it's quirkiness and his fierce loyalty to his family and friends (including the other guys).
For Kevin, I think he has to show some elements of that protective big brother persona.
For Howie, I think he has to be sweet and supportive.
It's funny because as soon as I started listing these, I started thinking of instances where these character traits are intentionally subverted. Like the stories where Howie is a villain. Is that why it's fun to make Howie a villain, because it goes against his entire persona?
I have definitely written stories where the Boys start out the way I see them in real life and then change throughout the story as a result of the circumstances they face. In Curtain Call, I made Nick moody, but not in a melodramatic, outwardly emo way like Broken Nick. Instead of wearing his heart on his sleeve, he bottled up everything inside because he was hiding a lot and trying to keep up appearances. In Song for the Undead, Brian lost everything he cared about early on in the story, including his family and his faith, and spent a large part of the story trying to find himself again. In my current story, Kevin is going to have to lean on his little brothers and let them take care of him instead of the other way around. And then there's Howie in 00Carter LOL. The only one I can't think of a personal example for is AJ... he's pretty always quirky and loyal in my stories LOL. But I guess in Song for the Undead, we made him a lone wolf in the beginning who became loyal to his found family as the story progressed.
So in summary, I'm not sure that the traits I listed absolutely have to be there throughout the whole story, as long as there's a reason for them not to be. They could be there in the beginning and change, or not be there in the beginning and develop as the story goes on. But I do think they need to appear at some point for the Boys to feel like the Boys to me.
RokofAges75:
--- Quote from: nicksgal on March 07, 2021, 01:49:33 PM ---While my husband is at the gym, haha. I didn't realize it was only from a couple of days ago. Not sure how I missed it.
Aw, so cute! I like the "No Goodbyes" version too, but he's right, it's just not quite the same. And him tearing up about his wedding, aww. That's my one regret about not hiring a videographer is not having our ceremony to watch my husband tear up.
I laughed so hard at the 8 Simple Rules portion (also his 1992 pants). I remember laughing so hard watching it back in the day. "Hey! I won a hat!" I'd argue that other than the exaggerated facial expression, the delivery of that felt genuinely spot on. "I am not an actor. At least I can sing?" lmao
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LOL At least he's self-aware of his acting abilities, or lack thereof. But I hope he makes more movies because they're always entertaining. And he's right; he does have a lot of other talents.
I loved him tearing up watching the wedding video too! Who would have thought Ghetto Fab Nick would grow up to be this sweet, sentimental family man? Aww! I'm so proud of him.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: FrickingKaos on March 07, 2021, 03:28:50 PM ---In response to the question about Disney, my favorite ride is Haunted Mansion although the Voyage of The Little Mermaid is a close second. I didn't get to ride a lot of the rides but I did meet lots of the characters which was fun too. I wish I'd gotten a picture with Buzz or Woody like Nick and Brian did in Finding Carter lol.
Speaking of that story that's another fun fact, Nick calls Brian Woody cause he's so country in that story. Brian calls Nick Buzz cause he likes outer space lol.
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Yaaassss! Haunted Mansion is my absolute favorite! It's the only ride I've insisted on riding whenever I've gone. Though, drinking around the world at Epcot is now a close second after having done that "ride."
Aw, those are cute little nicknames for those reasons.
nicksgal:
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on March 07, 2021, 04:25:31 PM ---LOL I started that story at just the right time, between super hot Now or Never Nick and the ghetto fab phase. He was too busy barfing his guts out and getting his leg chopped off to get his nipples pierced and start hanging out with Tommy Lee. Too bad, Nick! But yes, that took him on a different path that also did not include abusing drugs or dating Paris Hilton, so he was better for it.
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It's hard to abuse drugs and find the time to date Paris Hilton when you're too busy barfing your guts out and getting your leg chopped off. ;) Or when you're too busy being a demon with magical powers, lol. It's good he has us to help him through his early twenties. lmao
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on March 07, 2021, 04:25:31 PM ---Yep, I agree. And when you put him into a situation he's never actually been in before in real life, like getting attacked by a bear or being a demon, all you can do is use his real life character traits to guess at what he would do in that situation. And because he's a real person with a lot of different sides to his personality, you can make him react a lot of different possible ways and still make it seem realistic. That's the fun of writing fanfic!
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You know, we don't know for sure that he hasn't fought a bear. Maybe it was really traumatic and he doesn't like to talk about it. haha I think it's because he's a reactor that he gets to experience all this craziness. He definitely wears his heart on his sleeve; it's why he's a terrible liar.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on March 07, 2021, 04:25:31 PM ---I almost asked this follow-up last night and then decided to wait and see if someone else thought of it too. So I'm glad you did!
For Nick, I think he needs to be charismatic, playful, and have strong emotional reactions, whether he's cracking up laughing, flying into a temper, or breaking down into tears.
For Brian, I think it's his sense of humor, his faith, and his devotion to his family.
For AJ, I think it's quirkiness and his fierce loyalty to his family and friends (including the other guys).
For Kevin, I think he has to show some elements of that protective big brother persona.
For Howie, I think he has to be sweet and supportive.
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Great minds think alike, of course! Also because these are the exact things I would have listed as well. I think the only thing I would add is that it feels like more often than not, Kevin falls into "only sane man" territory with the others. Although, that may be less true now that he's not "the most adult wrangling in the children because Howie's too nice to put them in their place." Call that a "Classic Backstreet Hallmark."
Alright! Unless anyone disagrees with us, we have officially established our bare minimum cannon. We've had a productive weekend after not being sure what to talk about.
--- Quote from: RokofAges75 on March 07, 2021, 04:25:31 PM ---It's funny because as soon as I started listing these, I started thinking of instances where these character traits are intentionally subverted. Like the stories where Howie is a villain. Is that why it's fun to make Howie a villain, because it goes against his entire persona?
So in summary, I'm not sure that the traits I listed absolutely have to be there throughout the whole story, as long as there's a reason for them not to be. They could be there in the beginning and change, or not be there in the beginning and develop as the story goes on. But I do think they need to appear at some point for the Boys to feel like the Boys to me.
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I think if they're intentionally subverted, it's one of those things we fill in (like Nick just garnering mass sympathy because of "common background knowledge" even when he's being a jerk). We say "Oh, normally they're like this, so something has clearly happened to make it the opposite. Let's find out why." I think it's fun to intentionally subvert them, take them to their logical extremes, and push them up against conflict. I mean, we all eventually get tired of "playing it straight," no?
That's probably exactly why Howie is most likely to be the villain! Intentional subversion or unintentional subversion to make him more "interesting." I'd hope everyone does it on purpose, but as mentioned yesterday, I'm trying to be better about not projecting my opinions on people. Trying.
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