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Opendoors - OTW - Preservation of archive?

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mare:
I'm glad you volunteered. I was hoping you would. I know you'll be excellent at it!

Personally, I think if you are going to transfer the whole archive, then it might as well be the old archive with everything, even the ones who, like me, have transferred stuff over to AO3. I know it might seem redundant, but like you said, it might also prove nostalgic for it to be included in two places. I know I moved a lot of my stories over a while ago but not all. I think if we add this other layer on to things, it'll just get confusing and honestly, I do believe at this point, only the slimmest of us actually care.

I think maybe if you made a poll on twitter, since I know some people, like Tracy have trouble logging onto here, to ask their thoughts. It would make more sense for you to do this since I believe pretty much all my BSB people stopped following me after I left the fandom. I think the better question is, what if people don't want their stories to make it onto another site? There might be more than a handful of people who would rather their stuff be deleted then moved. But again, that opens up even more chaos.

Another question worth asking, is do you move the stories that have never been completed? There are So many stories that were never finished and barring some kind of miracle never will be. Should you go through the trouble of including all of those? I personally think it would be a waste of time to do that.

RokofAges75:
Thanks!

From my understanding, everything will automatically get transferred (including duplicates and unfinished stories) by Open Doors, the group that owns AO3.  It will be up to authors to request their works get deleted if they don't want them to be on AO3.  Correct me if I'm wrong, Ash, but I'm not sure we are able to pick and choose what gets moved ahead of time.  But if one of us retains control of the collection, we would have the ability to delete works from it after the fact.  I wouldn't feel comfortable deleting unfinished works without the author's permission, though.  Some people may still want to read them for the nostalgia.

As far as the duplicates go, if you claim them as your work, they would also appear under your works in your own account, so you would have two different copies of the stories you already moved to AO3.  Personally, I would want to claim mine, so they would be attributed to me and I would get the comments and kudos, but I wouldn't want to have two of the same story junking up my account.  I would rather have the ability to delete the AC versions from the collection and add the better-edited versions that have already accumulated comments and kudos on AO3 to the collection in their place.  That's my main reason for wanting to retain control over the collection and leave it open for at least a little while, so anyone else in the same situation can do the same if they want to.

A poll on Twitter is not a bad idea, although I'm not sure what exactly to ask or how to phrase it in a concise way.  I did not get a response to my tweet yesterday from anyone affected by this, and no one else has posted here, which makes me wonder if anyone else even saw it or cares.

Rose:
Okay so first off, I think Julie is perfect for this. Second, even though I don't actively post fanfic anymore, I'd want to maybe clean up by not having doubles so I get what you mean there. Third, I think unfinished stories should be moved. They're unfinished but it's like lost media if they vanish forever.

RokofAges75:
Thanks for weighing in!  And yes, that's my concern with the unfinished stories too.  Some writers don't keep back-ups after they move on from the fandom, so if they only exist on AC, and AC goes down, they could disappear forever.  You never know when someone (including the author) might want to access them again someday and possibly even finish them, as unlikely as that may seem.  We've all seen how people who have been away from the fandom for years randomly pop back in sometimes.  I think it's good to preserve as much content as possible.  Our fandom already lost so many old fics when Geocities went down.

mare:
Just shows I still didn't really understand lol so, when the archive moves over, all those stories will potentially be listed in two places. The actual AC archive and then your own story page as well? But once it's moved, then you (Julie) would be the only person that could delete or change the stories in the archive so that's why it would make sense for the duplicate stories to be deleted over at AC before that happens? Is that correct? But...That would only happen if your username is the same at both places though, right? Because I am Mare here but because that's such a common name, I had to change it on AO3 so I'm egypt18015 there. In that case, none of the ones by Mare would end up on Egypt's page?

This is what I would suggest, if everything I said is correct, we put up an announcement somewhere. Maybe in the news section of the actual site, twitter and also on here that:

On this date, (We should give them a deadline of some kind, even if we don't know when this is happening for sure) we will be moving this entire archive over to AO3. If you do not wish to have your stories included on the archive, please go to AC and delete any stories you do not wish to be moved. Just an FYI, if you have already moved your stuff over to AO3 with the same username, you will find them duplicated on your page, so if you don't want that to happen, you should delete the AC one.

Something like that? This way, we have given ample warning and people who do still occasionally check the site, or this forum will also be aware. Dee and Tracey? If you can't log in, can you still see these posts? I'll ask that on twitter too.

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